The Refugee Ship

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Primrose53

DiamondLily

Well, the first of the migrant transfer has been delayed.

news.sky.com/story/arrival-of-first-asylum-seekers-on-bibby-stockholm-barge-delayed-12927313

Probably forgot to put mini bars in each room and bathrobes and slippers. 🤣🤣🤣

True lol

Looking at the videos and pictures of it, I was thinking of trying to book a week on it myself for a bit of a chill..😗

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DiamondLily

Well, the first of the migrant transfer has been delayed.

news.sky.com/story/arrival-of-first-asylum-seekers-on-bibby-stockholm-barge-delayed-12927313

Probably forgot to put mini bars in each room and bathrobes and slippers. 🤣🤣🤣

Frightening.

I fully believe that gsm and I suspect it goes on in other professions too. We were highly suspicious of an African doctor once. we received a call at quarter to midnight to go to hospital as a matter of urgency following some very high blood counts earlier that day. We got there and found him sitting with a landline phone in his hands. He said he couldn’t get it to work so my husband told him it wouldn’t work unless he plugged it in at the wall! He just sat and stared at us and we asked what he needed to see OH for so urgently and he said the results were so off the chart that if he didn’t see him, he would lose his job so he was just covering his back he said! It was a 60 mile round trip for us. He never examined OH at all and said we could go home. As soon as we got outside we both said we thought he was a bogus doctor.

Anyway back to bogus solicitors. 😉

It could be different now. I’m talking about exams in 70s and early 80s, no ID required, and people calling themselves solicitors I came across up to about 2015. I could have been anyone turning up at Ally Pally when I sat my exams. I can only hope that eyes have been opened.

That’s interesting, ID for exams gsm. When I sat professional exams it wasn’t necessary as the courses had about fifty members but we were recognisable as they were over two or three years

I expect there is Iam but such people are very clever. I often threatened to report solicitors of any ethnicity for failure to reply to correspondence, which always had the desired effect. I have never reported anyone on the basis of the obvious suspicions resulting from their failure to grasp the English language because of the possible repercussions. In my experience their clients were of similar ethnicity - I have no idea if they served them well but have serious doubts. Maybe now proper ID is required of people sitting exams, but not in my day.

Once they have passed their exams and undertaken a training contract (I have no doubt with a sympathetic firm) they are deemed to be qualified solicitors. They have to comply with
continuing education requirements (frankly you could be Micky Mouse) and money laundering rules and their books might be inspected in the usual way - but if you’ve got someone to sit your exams and you can get a training contract with a friendly firm you become a qualified solicitor and apart from looking at your books and checking your files for money laundering compliance that’s it unless you’re reported for something such as failing to reply to correspondence or a very obvious fraud. Appalling.

Germanshepherdsmum, I’ve no reason to doubt your assessment of the lawyers you came across. Do you know if any of them were reported - I don’t know enough about any ongoing checks on qualified lawyers. You won’t be alone in your suspicions - is there a process to report such concerns?

Germanshepherdsmum

Well as I said upthread, there are people claiming to be solicitors who I doubt are qualified solicitors because their grasp of English is so tenuous. People who when I came across them (they were always Asians or Africans representing people of similar ethnic background). My suspicion was always that they had paid someone to sit the exams for them because there was no way that anyone with so little English could possibly have passed the Law Society exams, which believe me are tough.

Is their practice not regulated in any way once they are working though, a re-accreditation scheme or similar? I can see from what you said that they may be fraudulently in post, but there must be some kind of ongoing checking system in place?

Well, the first of the migrant transfer has been delayed.

news.sky.com/story/arrival-of-first-asylum-seekers-on-bibby-stockholm-barge-delayed-12927313

Well as I said upthread, there are people claiming to be solicitors who I doubt are qualified solicitors because their grasp of English is so tenuous. People who when I came across them (they were always Asians or Africans representing people of similar ethnic background). My suspicion was always that they had paid someone to sit the exams for them because there was no way that anyone with so little English could possibly have passed the Law Society exams, which believe me are tough.

Shinamae

Nicenanny3

11:46Primrose53

Yes big business aiding the Illegal boat migrants, lots of money to be made illegally or legally by the so called human rights lawyers no wonder they don't want to stop the boats.

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Can anybody just claim to be a human rights lawyer then? Surely there is a regulatory body.

GrannyGravy13

Casdon

DNA sampling. If you think about how Ancestry dot.com works, they have to be identifying people through their DNA. There are increasingly few secrets now. As mentioned above, papers are destroyed on crossing the channel, but that doesn’t mean that they didn’t carry them when they left their originating country. There are four different routes at least into Europe too.

Why keep hold of your papers on your journey from your homeland, all through Europe and then destroy them when crossing the channel.

If you have nothing to hide, why would you destroy your papers to enter the U.K., I just find this suspicious.

If they are recorded at the point of entry there is much more chance of knowing their country of origin because of the route they use, and at that point many haven’t been ‘smuggled’ to enter Europe, so they are carrying papers because they are genuinely seeking asylum. The people smugglers apparently require them to destroy their papers, presumably to protect themselves but I don’t know.

Casdon

DNA sampling. If you think about how Ancestry dot.com works, they have to be identifying people through their DNA. There are increasingly few secrets now. As mentioned above, papers are destroyed on crossing the channel, but that doesn’t mean that they didn’t carry them when they left their originating country. There are four different routes at least into Europe too.

Why keep hold of your papers on your journey from your homeland, all through Europe and then destroy them when crossing the channel.

If you have nothing to hide, why would you destroy your papers to enter the U.K., I just find this suspicious.

Nicenanny3

11:46Primrose53

Yes big business aiding the Illegal boat migrants, lots of money to be made illegally or legally by the so called human rights lawyers no wonder they don't want to stop the boats.

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From Wikipedia, but correct information.
‘European Dactyloscopy (Eurodac) is the European Union (EU) fingerprint database for identifying asylum seekers and irregular border-crossers. After the European Parliament approved the last Eurodac reform proposed by far-right party Vox (December 2022), asylum applicants and irregular border-crossers over the age of 6 have their fingerprints, pictures, and other biometric data taken as a matter of EU law, which discriminatorily considers biometric data as a "special category of data" just in the case of EU citizens. These are then sent in digitally to a central unit at the European Commission, and automatically checked against other prints on the database. This enables authorities to determine whether asylum seekers have already applied for asylum in another EU member state or have illegally transited through another EU member state ("principle of first contact"). The Automated Fingerprint Identification System is the first of its kind on the European Union level and has been operating since 15 January 2003.[1] All EU member states currently participate in the scheme, plus three additional European countries: Norway, Iceland and Switzerland.’

DNA sampling. If you think about how Ancestry dot.com works, they have to be identifying people through their DNA. There are increasingly few secrets now. As mentioned above, papers are destroyed on crossing the channel, but that doesn’t mean that they didn’t carry them when they left their originating country. There are four different routes at least into Europe too.

Make any suggestions as to how you identify someone with no papers who claims to come from a country where there’s little or no chance of tracing them? Not me, that’s for sure.

I really can’t imagine how you identify them. The smugglers have become much more sophisticated. It’s virtually an impossible task given the numbers constantly arriving. I don’t lay blame at the door of the government. How many of us can m

I would think it would be almost impossible to process the Illegal boat migrants who have destroyed their ID and the smuggling gangs tell them what to say in order to stay here, most are computer savvy and know exactly how to game the system. Illegal crossings have shot up since 2018 just look at this chart from Migration Watch.

I have previously posted - to much opprobrium - that I call these firms Scummy & Co - because I genuinely doubt the qualifications and integrity of many of them. I have seen enough during my career to consider that that is not inaccurate. We’re not talking about the highly respectable Amal Clooneys of this world, we’re talking about so-called lawyers prepared to fabricate stories at the expense of the taxpayer.

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree that British citizens should have priority when it comes to housing.
I agree that the processing needs to be done more quickly but I wonder to what extent the problem is the lack of identification? I have no idea how they begin to confirm the identity or profession of a person who has no papers and claims to come from a country which doesn’t keep proper records or whose records have been destroyed by warfare. Do they end up taking someone on trust?

They are questioned in detail when they first enter Europe, fingerprints taken, all available details gathered and any documentation they are carrying at that stage is copied and stored, many are carrying I’d when they first arrive. If UK was still in Eurodac we would be able to access that information. It will be a priority for the next government to get that reinstated.