Why dud Labour lose Uxbridge? Was it really because of ULEZ or some other reason?

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

Oreo

Well, if Khan were to use the money raised to give to owners of old cars in order to buy newer ones it would be fine.He won’t do tho, the most they can hope for is about £2,000 .
This will raise money for London but won’t do a lot for clean air as the most polluting cars will still have to travel around for work school and other reasons ( hospital visits say).It’s a ill thought out idea put into action too soon.

Read the report.

I have done.
Car scrappage is £2,000 that won’t help much in buying a newer car!

See Monica's post at 8.32 today.

WWM2 In cities like London, high house prices and high rents mean that the residents are far more likely to be wealthy than not as those on lower incomes cannot afford to live there unless they are in properties where housing costs are subsidised or restricted in some way . Council or Housing Association properties.

Whitewavemark2

Oreo

Well, if Khan were to use the money raised to give to owners of old cars in order to buy newer ones it would be fine.He won’t do tho, the most they can hope for is about £2,000 .
This will raise money for London but won’t do a lot for clean air as the most polluting cars will still have to travel around for work school and other reasons ( hospital visits say).It’s a ill thought out idea put into action too soon.

Read the report.

I have done.
Car scrappage is £2,000 that won’t help much in buying a newer car!

All the metal can be recycled as can rare minerals from various parts of the engine. Tyres can also be shredded and used in road making and repairing

8 million cars are scrapped every year across the UK. The average age of a car that is scrapped is 15 years. From 2015, the End of Life Vehicle Directive determined that the industry must ensure that 95% of each vehicle by weight is re-used, recovered or recycled. This was 85% previously.
www.cartakeback.com/blog/in-the-know/recycling-week-10-car-components-that-can-be-recycled/

The same applies to white goods, almost entirely metal. Don't be doom laden about things until you have checked the facts.

Whatever the UK does can’t possibly do much towards climate change in the world.
Doesn’t mean we can’t do anything we should def do some things but it has to be well planned before putting into action and not just hitting the poorest in society.Khan doesn’t seem to care and is looking increasingly like a rabbit in the headlights.

Oreo

Well, if Khan were to use the money raised to give to owners of old cars in order to buy newer ones it would be fine.He won’t do tho, the most they can hope for is about £2,000 .
This will raise money for London but won’t do a lot for clean air as the most polluting cars will still have to travel around for work school and other reasons ( hospital visits say).It’s a ill thought out idea put into action too soon.

Read the report.

I agree Ilovecheeese and if we think we are seriously going to affect climate change without major adjustments, instead of tinkering around the edges, we will have to cope with much more, with a hit to our standard of living too.

I think the government should put in mitigating factors to help the poorest to cope, but it’s not the Tory style to do so. Nor Labour’s either it is becoming increasingly apparent.

Well, if Khan were to use the money raised to give to owners of old cars in order to buy newer ones it would be fine.He won’t do tho, the most they can hope for is about £2,000 .
This will raise money for London but won’t do a lot for clean air as the most polluting cars will still have to travel around for work school and other reasons ( hospital visits say).It’s a ill thought out idea put into action too soon.

Sometimes a Government has to show leadership rather than just cave in to what some voters want.
How many of us or those we know have COPD or asthma why don't we think a bit more about them.
I think Sadiq Khan was right to go ahead with this, and also right to consider how he can best help people to convert their means of transport to clean our air for the benefit of all, and particularly those with lung conditions.

growstuff

I thought petrol cars only had to be Euro 4.

You are correct it is Euro 4 for petrol I was misled by other reports

Nicenanny3

What is going to happen to all the scrap cars and vans, doesn't sound very green to me, old tyres, old radios, old seating, etc obviously some will be recycled but where shipped abroad. Landfill?

A quick google tells me that vehicles can be pretty efficiently scrapped, some 95% being recyclable apparently.

Whether the materials extracted are actually reused in the UK or are shipped abroad google doesn't say...

The inner city is largely populated by the working class, in areas of concentrated vehicle use.

The wealthy tend to live in areas of less vehicle density and have frequently access to rural retreats.

if my memory is correct, the poor air quality was blamed in a coroners report for the death of a young girl. Many "poor" people have no access to private vehicles and reply on foot or public transport. as somebody has pointed out that most cars in the last 10 years or so should meet the emissions requirements as per the MOT so how many cars are really that poor? if so how do they get through the MOT?

Nicenanny3

What is going to happen to all the scrap cars and vans, doesn't sound very green to me, old tyres, old radios, old seating, etc obviously some will be recycled but where shipped abroad. Landfill?

And old fridges, washing machines, televisions, old clothes on and on.

We are trashing the planet.

Too much stuff.

What is going to happen to all the scrap cars and vans, doesn't sound very green to me, old tyres, old radios, old seating, etc obviously some will be recycled but where shipped abroad. Landfill?

That was to growstuff.

That’s my understanding too. It’s Euro 6 for diesels.

There is clear evidence from this report that ULEZ is effective in reducing air pollution, which is adversely affecting the health of many of the population, importantly children.

I think Keir Starmer should have given Sadiq Khan his backing and can’t understand why he wavered on this issue, and neither can many erstwhile Labour supporters.

I thought petrol cars only had to be Euro 4.

Although I believe low emission zones are a good aim in cities, imposing it with no warning is completely unreasonable. Also although it’s publicized that petrol cars after 2006 are compliant, that is not true, there are many models produced up to 2012 that are not Euro 6, that’s not including diesels.
Anyone relying on a car for work, shopping or taking the kids to school could easily be paying £200 a month.

Found it. Thanks

www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/environment-and-climate-change/environment-and-climate-change-publications/inner-london-ultra-low-emission-zone-expansion-one-year-report

Curtaintwitcher

I think Labour were over-confident that they would win. Hopefully the result will have taught them a lesson...listen to what voters want!

But what the voters want is contradictory.

70+% are worried about the effects of climate change, but are not seemingly prepared to sacrifice anything uncomfortable in order to achieve mitigation.

What we need is good leadership, and education.

Right

It’s headed

“Inner London ULEZ expansion. One year report”

I think Labour were over-confident that they would win. Hopefully the result will have taught them a lesson...listen to what voters want!

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

No one is talking about the success of the mitigation schemes brought in by Khan.

There is a report that outlines that, and available on-line.

Wwmk2, please..... even if you can't do a link could you give us the report title so it's easier to search for?

Yes I’ll look for it. I read these things then go onto something else then think about them when I look at threads.

Be back later.

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