Why dud Labour lose Uxbridge? Was it really because of ULEZ or some other reason?

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

No one is talking about the success of the mitigation schemes brought in by Khan.

There is a report that outlines that, and available on-line.

Wwmk2, please..... even if you can't do a link could you give us the report title so it's easier to search for?

Yes I’ll look for it. I read these things then go onto something else then think about them when I look at threads.

Be back later.

"Khan has been adamant the plan needs to go ahead given the significant public health consequences of vehicle pollution. But after failing to take Boris Johnson’s old seat of Uxbridge, Starmer and several of his team urged the Labour mayor to think again.

Both camps will hope the new proposals reduce the political pressure including attacks by Rishi Sunak’s government and many Tory MPs who argue the expansion is poorly timed given cost-of-living pressures.

The enhanced scrappage programme, which takes the previous £110m cost to £160m, the extra paid for out of city hall reserves, keeps the basic grant for a car or van at £2,000 but makes everyone in the city with a non-compliant vehicle eligible.

The £2,000 payments were previously only available to people who receive one of a series of benefits, including child benefit and universal credit.

Khan’s officials argue that £2,000 is a sufficient sum. They say one vehicle sales website showed almost 5,000 Ulez-compliant cars for sale for less within 200 miles of central London.

Sole traders and businesses with fewer than 50 staff can now claim up to £7,000 for each van they replace, up from £5,000, with up to three vans eligible. The previous sum of up to £7,000 for replacing a minibus rises to £9,000, again to a maximum of three. The grant to retrofit a van or minibus has risen from £5,000 to £6,000."

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/03/sadiq-khan-expands-london-ulez-grant-and-scrappage-scheme

I’m afraid you’re wasting your time MOnica. People don’t want facts they want to weaponise divisive issues for ideological, not factual purposes.

This is will be happening more frequently as the GE nears.

Foxy Do not be so silly So because you can afford it, everybody can. Let them eat cake?

Any petrol car or van sold since 2006 will almost certainly be ULEZ-exempt. www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/economical-cars/low-emission-cars/1127/ulez-exempt-cars-vans-motorbikes-avoid-the-london-ulez

Two thirds of all petrol vehicles on the road are ULEZ compatible. A quick search of several car sales platforms, shows that it is possible to buy older ULEZ compatible cars for under £1,000.

Is paying under £1,000 for a car your definition of 'eating cake'? After deducting the insurance compensation I received for my scrapped car. My current car cost me £2,000. How much did your last car cost you?

Of course there will be people for whom the extension of the ULEZ zone will cause problems, but I do not see them as being in large enough numbers to have affected the result of this election because anyone driving a patrol car much under 20 years old will be driving a ULEZ compliant car anyway. It is those with large diesel powered Chelsea tractors, who will be most affected, and the owners of these do not, generally, fall into that much loved group used by so many, to justify, their anti-environmental views 'the poor'

Whitewavemark2

No one is talking about the success of the mitigation schemes brought in by Khan.

There is a report that outlines that, and available on-line.

Wwmk2, please..... even if you can't do a link could you give us the report title so it's easier to search for?

The subsidy should be paid for by central government for all if that was the case.

That's what I thought when I read the post about people from outside complaining about the charge, vegansrock Local authorities, unlike the national government, do have a limited amount of money to spend. They can't afford to be providing services such as the scrappage scheme to out of area car owners

If the government were serious about the scheme pioneered by their former poster boy they would be doing something positive instead of weaponising it..

No one is talking about the success of the mitigation schemes brought in by Khan.

There is a report that outlines that, and available on-line.

Thanks for explainingKatie59

MaizieD

But why did you report the scrappage scheme as Sadiq Khan 'backing down' Katie59?

Originally the scheme was for those on “certain benefits”
Now it’s open for all

Why should people who don’t live in London, who don’t contribute to London council tax get a subsidy paid for by Londoners? The subsidy should be paid for by central government for all if that was the case. I live in a ULEZ area and a huge fuss was made about it at the time and now everyone just gets on with it , plus it has made a difference to air quality. We have a 20 mph speed limit too. Why does everyone assume anyone who has a car is an entitled motorist we walk, cycle and use public transport as well.

But why did you report the scrappage scheme as Sadiq Khan 'backing down' Katie59?

Oreo

That would make more sense Katie59 cos you can’t just make deadlines without the support needed.
Which is why a deadline for no new petrol or diesel cars by seven years time seems undoable. Some things look good on paper but affect real lives in practice.

Plus a extra 5 yrs for hybrids.

The RAC estimate that 850,000 cars and vans within London are not ULEZ compliant that is not going to be rectified in 3 weeks.
Nor are the cars going in from surrounding counties, maybe Khan is counting on massive income from fines.

Katie59

Sadie Khan has backed down, now anyone can get a £2000 grant to get a compliant car or £7000 for a van. That isnt going to get done by 29th August I predict a delay maybe a year so everyone can make the changes.

Why is this being reported as Khan 'backing down'? Had he previously refused to set up a scrappage scheme?

Khan was on TV a couple of hours ago. He said no delay, no exemptions.

Meanwhile:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12373041/Anti-Ulez-activist-climbs-lamppost-uses-drill-pull-camera.html

Katie59

Sadie Khan has backed down, now anyone can get a £2000 grant to get a compliant car or £7000 for a van. That isnt going to get done by 29th August I predict a delay maybe a year so everyone can make the changes.

Well, yes, but now Surrey and Kent residents are arguing they need to drive into London and want the subsidy.🙄

That would make more sense Katie59 cos you can’t just make deadlines without the support needed.
Which is why a deadline for no new petrol or diesel cars by seven years time seems undoable. Some things look good on paper but affect real lives in practice.

Sadie Khan has backed down, now anyone can get a £2000 grant to get a compliant car or £7000 for a van. That isnt going to get done by 29th August I predict a delay maybe a year so everyone can make the changes.

But I dont care about the seats the Tories lost, I do care about the ones Labour didnt win, and it's important to look at some of the reasons why that might have happened. It is unlikely to be anything as simple as social media or ULEZ.

M0nica

I bought a ULEZ compatible car last year without even trying, a Hyundai i120, no more expensive that any other compatibly sized car for its year. In fact, I thought I was getting a lot for my money.

So because you can afford it, everybody can?
Let them eat cake?
From the horse’s mouth -
Research from Auto Trader last week found that car buyers were being charged £3,000 more for Ulez-compliant vehicles when compared with identical non-compliant models

MayBee70

I’m rather fed up of it being constantly being pointed out by the media that Labour lost Uxbridge when it was a case of the Conservatives retaining it.

eaxctly! Labour did not 'lose' Uxbridge, it was not theirs to lose. The Tories scraped enough votes to hold on to it with a dramatically reduced majority. Very different. Meanwhile, there is very little coverage of the two Tory catastrophic results in the other two by elections.

Katie59

I’m sure ULEZ was part of the problem, however Johnson is more popular than many realize and many think he was “hard done by”

I met people in London who said the Conservatives are finished. I was hopeful of change, but then one of them said the worst thing they did was get rid of Johnson, and the others agreed with him.

Strict confines of their class ? How absolutely dreadful. Glad I don’t live there.

M0nica

I have said from the start that blaiming ULEZ for the Conservative victory was misleading. Most cars are ULEZ compatible anyway, so there would not be enough votes in i.

As for blaming 'the poor' who would have to sell their old ULEZ cars to buy new ones (???????), they would not be voting Conservative anyway.

As for blaming 'the poor' who would have to sell their old ULEZ cars to buy new ones (???????), they would not be voting Conservative anyway.

I think you might be wrong there MOnica.

The poor, the not-so poor - and the wealthy - do not necessarily vote according to the strict 'confines' of their class.

And even within the Left and Right there are wide variations. I have Conservative-voting acquaintances who have a sense of 'social-justice' along with those who are more to the Right. The poor do not all vote Labour, either.

There are those in each group, also, who are more 'middle of the road'. My ex neighbour, a white-van-man driver - a builder - has become very "green" in his political outlook (he continually mails me about environmental 'issues').

oh dear- you are jesting I hope!