Why dud Labour lose Uxbridge? Was it really because of ULEZ or some other reason?

Has anyone said they want ULEZ changed or cancelled?

👍 Dinahmo

For those who would like to see ULEZ changed/cancelled and don't seem to understand how the local pollution can affect lungs, particularly those of children here is a report from the Guardian about air pollution being linked to antibiotic resistance:

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/07/air-pollution-linked-rise-antibiotic-resistance-imperils-human-health?utm_term=64d1bdd18ab6ada537ca202b39aa5ce7&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email

MaizieD

^This is Khan's cash cow to prop up TFL and Crossrail.🙁^

Are you saying that supporting public transport is a Bad Thing, DiamondLily?

How strange...

No, I'm not. It's already heavily subsidised with taxpayer cash.

It needs to be managed better .

For those who are concerned about the disposal of tyres, here's a link to an article about earth ships, some of which are made from earth filled tyres. Very attractive some of them.

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Apologies for the mis-spell in the OP

I don’t want to argue about London Monica you obvs feel you know it better than I do.
It was your comment that only wealthy people live in London that I and others took issue with, and I know this is far from the truth of the matter.
Let’s leave it.

Oreo Household incomes, not individual. Rents are so high in London that many may be on low incomes after housing costs, who are not before them.

I visit London regularly and looking in any estate agents window, looking at house prices in the part of London I grew up in and where DD lived, shows quite clearly how expensive housing is. I have been told, unverified, that many of the workers at Heathrow come in from Swindon each day.

DD bought an ex-council flat in Lewisham in 1993. Flats in the block now sell for 10 times what she paid. We bought a house near Oxford at much the same time. Our house is worth 4 times what we paid for it. Yet we too live in a high housing cost area, where many people struggle to afford housing.

When DS worked in Oxford he said you could tell the age of people in his company by where they lived. Those nearing retirement lived in Oxford, his contemporaries, in their 30s, were also commuting in from Swindon

This is Khan's cash cow to prop up TFL and Crossrail.🙁

Are you saying that supporting public transport is a Bad Thing, DiamondLily?

How strange...

Ilovecheese

Sometimes a Government has to show leadership rather than just cave in to what some voters want.
How many of us or those we know have COPD or asthma why don't we think a bit more about them.
I think Sadiq Khan was right to go ahead with this, and also right to consider how he can best help people to convert their means of transport to clean our air for the benefit of all, and particularly those with lung conditions.

On a personal level, I have COPD/Asthma, as well as a damaged lung, courtesy of catching Legionnaire's disease many moons ago.

I have no more trouble breathing in my leafy London suburb than I did when we lived in a village, in the wilds, of Sussex.

Central London, maybe. Here, none.

Yet, residents or users of this borough will have to pay, if they have non compliant cars.

The only problems here is that too many cars are being forced onto singular roads because of LTN rules.

ULEZ won't directly affect me, because I can't drive, and due to mobility issues, I cannot use public transport, and have to use taxis or Uber.

But, it will affect me if a workman or a deliverer has to pay, because costs will be passed on.

This is Khan's cash cow to prop up TFL and Crossrail.🙁

You are right vegansrock but I think Labour should take some responsibility because they didn't explain the policy properly.

oreoThe tories retained Uxbridge as they stirred up fear that everyone will soon have to pay to drive, which actually isn’t the case. They made it a single issue . It’s not the age of the car that’s important btw so you can’t go by registrations- many older cars are actually compliant - my Sil has a 14 year old Audi that is compliant, and my neighbour has a Fiat that is at least 10 years old that is ok - it’s about emissions.

These figures give the true picture of London wealth/ poverty.

trustforlondon.org.uk/data/poverty-borough/

You don’t know what everyone does vegansrock and for a start many parents get their kids to school by car because they have to. Looking at cars the other day out of interest ( at the reg) ever so many are really old.
Why do you think Labour didn’t win Uxbridge?

I live in the current Ulez. Most people travel to work by public transport. Those who drive- the vast majority have compliant cars/ vans. If a small business faces higher charges like our gardeners, they up their bill so the customer pays or they get a new van which they offset against tax. Chelsea tractors owned by the yummy mummies are nearly all compliant as they tend to be the latest model. If this forces people to gradually switch to cleaner vehicles all well and good. Don’t tell me the tories are weeping over the poor- they stirred it up so many believed that everyone would have to pay.

Having worked (but not lived) in London for years, I have to say you don’t know what you’re talking about, MOnica. So many people who the wealthy residents or the commuting professionals depend upon live in the ULEZ. Many are those unseen workers who work unsocial hours and rely on their own transpor. They are poorly paid and struggle to make ends meet as it is.

Monica you don’t have a clue about living in London. It’s a very big place! There are tons of people living there with incomes nowhere near £100,000. Not everyone lives in Mayfair or Chelsea.I’m a Londoner born and bred so I know a thing or two about the place.
As Foxygloves says people travel from all areas of London to get to their work.Walthamstow is E17 for instance and tho prices of houses and for rent have gone up all over, you can still live there, or nearby Tottenham and not be a big earner by any means.
Just admit you don’t know all there is to know about people who live and work in London.

WWM2 In cities like London, high house prices and high rents mean that the residents are far more likely to be wealthy than not as those on lower incomes cannot afford to live there unless they are in properties where housing costs are subsidised or restricted in some way
If you did not mean this you should not have said it. Your words are quite unequivocal.
My SIL has a diesel, NOT a 4x4 or Chelsea tractor (that I itself was a bit of a cliche) and it has to be an estate because as Studio Manager for a well known conceptual artist he frequently has to ferry biggish pieces around. and a diesel for the mileage because he needs it to drive to Suffolk where he works 3 days each week, the rest of the week in a very ordinary house in Walthamstow.
But you choose to quote stereotypes - “wealthy or needing social housing”.
I still think your version is woefully over generalised and further, as I do not know you I can neither like nor dislike you.
But I do take issue with what you are saying.

Foxy what are you talking about? You completely misunderstood my post. I was saying the exact opposite of what you think I said. It is clear you do not like me, but please do not let your prejdices lead to you completely distort what I say.

What I said was that people in ordinary jobs on ordinary wages cannot afford to live in London, it is an area where no household with an income of less than £100,000 can afford to live. nearly all the people in all those professions you mention have to live outside the London conurbation and commute in. Many cannot afford to drive in either, because of the cost of parking, which is why I said the majority of people likely to be hit by ULEZ are wealthy people who drive diesel fuelled Chelsea tractors.

And not even just those in the service industries. I used to get the Inner London supplement when I taught for ILEA but that would not cover the difference in mortgage for a London priced house even in a very unsmart Borough.
Things must look very different in Chiantshire.

Every time I read the title of this thread, I stop after "Why dud Labour...?" because there's your answer

I couldn’t agree more Foxy. The City and inner London rely so much on these poorly paid workers in service industries. Who cleans the offices, pubs etc, supplies and works in the sandwich shops and pubs? There are so many unseen but vital low paid workers who have to travel through ULEZ to earn their daily crust and provide the services that the far better off expect. I used to work in the City and realise just how many people from what is intended to be a ULEZ we all relied on.

M0nica

WWM2 In cities like London, high house prices and high rents mean that the residents are far more likely to be wealthy than not as those on lower incomes cannot afford to live there unless they are in properties where housing costs are subsidised or restricted in some way . Council or Housing Association properties.

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Wealthy?
Are you including teachers, nurses, shop workers, tradespeople, care workers, social workers, bus and train drivers, postal workers, road workers, telephone engineers and workers in hospitality ?
Many of these will need their own transport because of anti social hours too.
And as for subsidised housing,I think you must have a very limited view of who qualifies for social housing or indeed the quantity of it.
Council housing? What’s that?
And just as a rule of thumb, high rents tend to mean less disposable income, not more and in order to meet high rents or mortgage repayments most couple will both have jobs, sometimes even supplementing their wages with evening work.
Life must be very different in your affluent backwater.

Labour should have had a massive win in Uxbridge, it’s solely ULEZ that lost the seat for them.

M0nica

WWM2 In cities like London, high house prices and high rents mean that the residents are far more likely to be wealthy than not as those on lower incomes cannot afford to live there unless they are in properties where housing costs are subsidised or restricted in some way . Council or Housing Association properties.

Are you serious?!
In any case have you seen how many boroughs are affected or shortly will be.
There are tons of houses of multiple occupancy in London plus bedsits, these people are not wealthy.Do you know London? Sounds as if you don’t and that you live in a green and leafy suburb or village somewhere.

Nicenanny3

What is going to happen to all the scrap cars and vans, doesn't sound very green to me, old tyres, old radios, old seating, etc obviously some will be recycled but where shipped abroad. Landfill?

All parts stripped down and sold on I heard someone on the radio say.