Should BBC presenter revealed the MP was in US on holiday

Thank you for the information Wyllow.

DEFRA are unwise to jump too quickly, Greenpeace is supported by some very well thought of figures in the scientific world as it is not extreme.
Its a childish piqued reaction.

Truly, on the news when I hear discussions on climate change, I despair: back pedalling and people not getting information on the consequences of not a few but

hundreds

of licences.

Over the world there are floods, fires, loss of homes, starvation

is reminding people in this pretty harmless way so very terrible? Think big.

I'll tell you what "breach of privacy" is.
Its last year when my abusive EX, under arrest on another matter, told the police evidence was in my home proving I had done x,y,z.

A policewoman backed by others in a car arrived with a search and arrest warrant - on ME - they hadn't done enough homework, and went through all my most personal possessions.

So if anyone starts telling me they are "harmed" by someone draping some cloth over their house when not there, no intention of any kind to gain entry, on some rich persons third or 4th home when they are rarely there.....

DEFRA were ordered to do it Wyllow, which was entirely predictable.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/04/greenpeace-activists-who-scaled-rishi-sunak-home-freed-on-bail
I support what they are trying to achieve, but this was such a poor call on their part

Many posts have spoken of the number of properties he has and one even spoke of servants , nothing to do with Greenpeace

Anniebach

Many posts have spoken of the number of properties he has and one even spoke of servants , nothing to do with Greenpeace

Don't all MPs have a constituency home and one in London?
I remember flipping!

I've always supported Greenpeace but this action was out of character from the way they used to be.

Given that the Sunak's are worth

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Given that the Sunak's are worth £730 million - I'm surprised that they don't have private security

Sunak's proporties.

housing.com/news/how-many-properties-does-rishi-sunak-own/

They mainly live in their house in London (if not Downing Street) the one concerned is to make sure he has one in his constituency.
He bought it after becoming the MP for the area in 2015.

Casdon

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They also did no damage and did not enter the property.

Sometimes breaking the law is justified morally as long as no one is harmed. (Quaker values)

I don’t agree. The property includes the grounds and the exterior of the house. It’s breaking the law, and private property should be sacrosanct in that respect.

We would not have the freedom to walk in many beautiful parts of the country if the Kinder Trespass had not happened in the 1930's when ordinary people broke the law and walked on Private Land.

History is littered with Law Breaking involved when something is felt very strongly what happened is needful of change.

If it were some relatively trivial political concern I wouldn't feel so strongly, but climate change is a "real and present danger" for our world and our children's children.

Greenpeace almost without fail act responsibly but do break the law on occasion.

Its a case by case decision as to what is morally right balanced with consequences as far as I'm concerned

That is not the same thing as climbing on somebody’s roof. I know about the Kinder Trespass, it was over farmland, right to roam. Yes, private property but it didn’t impinge on homes.

Actually the Kinder Trespass, was a reaction to gamekeepers turning back ramblers. The leaders were treated very harshly. But thanks t them we have the Peak District National Park.
The Greenpeace activists are concerned with saving not just a stretch of land but the whole planet.
How an empty house being covered in black cloth harms anyone I don't know. And the message broadcast from the roof was so important. This is a PM putting energy companies' profits before saving the planet and selling it to the public as concerns for their energy supplies.

Big difference between farmland and the roof of a house

We are also dealing with a government that instead of listening to concerns, acts punitively. Complete over reaction. Cuts off protest: Greenpeace has a great deal to offer knowledge expertise wise.

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Given that the Sunak's are worth £730 million - I'm surprised that they don't have private security

It doesn't matter how much his wife is worth - any PM is entitled to security.

The Kinder Trespass wasn’t about saving a piece of land, it was about access for people to walk. Anyway, that’s beside the point. I know what Greenpeace are trying to do. However you will never convince me that invading somebody’s private property did anything other than harm to their cause.

There are many civil concerns where people act, as well as that.

I wasn't just about farmland at all: it was about shooting rights for the very small number of rich people who owned huge swathes of moorland and wished to barr people entirely.

Take just the long history of suffrage, for one, or universal education: Or the fight for equal pay for women: or children in the 19c working in factories: Or animal rights and hunting. Or the right to strike. Or building and using nuclear weapons: all have involved acts of civil disobedience.

so much was made of the conferred ne where BJ led the conference on Climate change; now hundreds of contracts awarded for carbon emission increase: I really find the draping of a house in cloth rather insignificant in relationship to this and indeed some of the other issues mentioned above.

"conferred ne" =conference where"

Thanks Wyllow3 I sometimes think that people forget that the rights they enjoy today were gained by people who often protested, broke the law, and suffered the consequences. They were not kindly donated by a considerate government, they were hard won at great cost to some. But then perhaps that's why most of the history taught in schools deals with wars and monarchies. Teaching the history of human rights might make people support protest a bit more, and demonstrate themselves. We might become more like the French!!!

Casdon

The Kinder Trespass wasn’t about saving a piece of land, it was about access for people to walk. Anyway, that’s beside the point. I know what Greenpeace are trying to do. However you will never convince me that invading somebody’s private property did anything other than harm to their cause.

But the moors were considered private land.
And how relevant the song is now to what is happening in our oceans

The Manchester Rambler by Ewan McColl

He called me a louse and said "Think of the grouse"
Well I thought, but I still couldn't see
Why all Kinder Scout and the moors roundabout
Couldn't take both the poor grouse and me
He said "All this land is my master's"
At that I stood shaking my head
No man has the right to own mountains
Any more than the deep ocean bed

And no man has the right to clamber on the roof of another man’s private property

Greenpeace can’t save the whole planet or much at all no matter how many homes they drape in black or any other stunts.
Until the big players in pollution get things under control.That means the US China India and a few others.

Anniebach

And no man has the right to clamber on the roof of another man’s private property

I’d turn the hose on anyone clambering around on mine💦💦

Anniebach

And no man has the right to clamber on the roof of another man’s private property

Or woman!!

What would happen if they fell off and injured themselves? Would they have the nerve to sue the householder?

Honestly when you can't justify condemning an action just fantasize.
The Greenpeace demonstrators committed exactly the same crime as the Kinder Trespass organisers. (The clue is in the word "trespass") Those organisers were charged with breach of the peace and riot, and given prison sentences. Years later we are thankful for their efforts and cannot imagine being banned from walking across moorland.
I wonder if in 50 years time owning so many houses and leaving them empty whilst there are homeless children will be viewed as just as unimaginable. I do hope so. Houses are places for people to live in they should stop being regarded as some sort of financial honeypot.
The message about Sunak's disgusting policies needed to be broadcast.

Yet it’s what politicians do, Tony Benn the hero of the far left
owned a luxury home in London and a country estate

Anniebach

Yet it’s what politicians do, Tony Benn the hero of the far left
owned a luxury home in London and a country estate

As I said earlier, I thought most MPs owned a property in London and another one in the constituency.

Remember the "flipping" scandals?

Glorianny I cannot understand why you keep going on about houses standing empty and homelessness. It’s got nothing to do with homelessness. GreenPeace weren’t demonstrating about homelessness. All Members of Parliament have to have a home in their constituency, but most of them live in London. We pay for their home in London, although there was a scandal about ‘flipping’ recently. All Members of Parliament must have a home in their constituency. It’s not about homelessness. MPs must have two homes unless they happen to live in London already. It’s really not difficult to understand.