Refugees moved OFF BibbyStockholm barge..

growstuff

DiamondLily

Joseann

I remember in school, we had the system tested by an agency regularly, as I believe any place with a large water tank has to be checked. The results were back in a matter of a few days. We always ran the taps for a while before use after a period of not using the system, like after school holidays and lockdown. Children aren't nearly as vulnerable as the elderly, and I assume the healthy young refugees fall into that category, so hopefully no one was too sick.

I'm not sure anyone was actually sick.

But, anyone who is health-vulnerable is more likely to catch any infection.

I was only 30 when I caught LD, but I'd not long had a big operation, so I guess I was pretty weakened by that. I would imagine that, if they have been fleeing across countries, as they say they have, and sometimes living rough, they might also be vulnerable.

Only two of the 38 asylum seekers on the Bibby Stockholm have been fleeing across countries and living rough. They arrived by plane and mainly came from Afghanistan. They would had paperwork and very possibly had been assisting the British armed forces.

Thank you so much for this. Do you have a link, please.

The whole thing is being whipped up because of the looming elections- and will not in any way, shape or form, solve the problem.

Callistemon21

Whitewavemark2

Which begs the question, that when Jenrick maintains that the barge will deter asylum seekers, he is lying isn’t he?

Well, I can see his logic.

"Go to the UK and catch Legionnaires Disease" is not exactly an enticement to come here, is it!

🤨

True. Strange little man.

Whitewavemark2

Which begs the question, that when Jenrick maintains that the barge will deter asylum seekers, he is lying isn’t he?

Well, I can see his logic.

"Go to the UK and catch Legionnaires Disease" is not exactly an enticement to come here, is it!

🤨

Legal aid hourly rates are low but it’s the only type of work some of the firms working for asylum seekers do so clearly they do enough to keep the wolf from the door.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9663/CBP-9663.pdf

The above is such an interesting and informative document. A couple of things jumped out at me which may explain why the govt is now trying to move asylum seekers out of hotels into cheaper accommodation.
The govt has been using the overseas development budget to fund the costs of ASs. No other country uses such a huge proportion of this budget in this way, a lot of countries do not use it at all for this purpose. So just to clarify, the huge sums of money being spent are largely coming from this budget which has already been allocated, it is not being taken from tax payers services. However, after a year it is assumed that ASs will have had their claims dealt with and become part of the UK population or have been repatriated. This is what is happening in other countries, they do not have people waiting up to 3 years in complete limbo. So during that first 12 months there is absolutely no incentive to consider costs as the money just gets taken out of the OD budget at no further cost to anyone in the UK.
However, after 12 months the picture changes, so the govt has been using some of the Levelling up budget, yup really! We now have a lot more ASs who have been waiting more than 12 months so costs are now starting to count. I don't agree with using OD money in this way but to discover it's been squandered when it could have been used more effectively is to add insult to injury. btw a lot is made of the "leftie" lawyers who help ASs with their request for asylum, the legal aid payment for this service is really low so I am surprised anyone does it, they certainly don't get rich!

NotSpaghetti

*Diana * - Where have you seen that Some want unrestrained border control and to let everyone in please?

I've looked back through this thread and cannot see a single post that says that.

I haven't seen that anywhere?

This was to DiamondLily
Your name seems to have been autocorrected to Diana. Apologies, I didn't notice.

Whitewavemark2

Which begs the question, that when Jenrick maintains that the barge will deter asylum seekers, he is lying isn’t he?

Well, Jenrick always comes across as the idiot a village has mislaid.🙄

He was the one that got involved with Mickey Mouse murals somewhere.

Which begs the question, that when Jenrick maintains that the barge will deter asylum seekers, he is lying isn’t he?

But of course NotSpaghetti, just like everyone else on here.

That begs the question growstuff, if 36 of those people had paperwork, and had been assisting the British armed forces in Afghanistan, (which in many cases meant saving lives) why are they still in the 'process'? Why? Why is this Government so incompetent on so many levels?

DiamondLily

Joseann

I remember in school, we had the system tested by an agency regularly, as I believe any place with a large water tank has to be checked. The results were back in a matter of a few days. We always ran the taps for a while before use after a period of not using the system, like after school holidays and lockdown. Children aren't nearly as vulnerable as the elderly, and I assume the healthy young refugees fall into that category, so hopefully no one was too sick.

I'm not sure anyone was actually sick.

But, anyone who is health-vulnerable is more likely to catch any infection.

I was only 30 when I caught LD, but I'd not long had a big operation, so I guess I was pretty weakened by that. I would imagine that, if they have been fleeing across countries, as they say they have, and sometimes living rough, they might also be vulnerable.

Only two of the 38 asylum seekers on the Bibby Stockholm have been fleeing across countries and living rough. They arrived by plane and mainly came from Afghanistan. They would had paperwork and very possibly had been assisting the British armed forces.

DiamondLily

Well, to clarify, some take the view that everyone rocking up is genuinely fleeing terror/persecution.

That we should keep them, but not in detention centres, barges, tents or anything - and can't seem to understand the dire housing shortage we have.

If anyone suggests that some of those turning up may be terrorists, criminals, opportunists, or evomnic migrants, they are immediately accused of being racist in some way. Yet, when they turn up without passports, we don't actually know who they are or where they have actually started from.

I would say that's wanting a policy that welcomes everyone who turns up at the South Coast.

My view though.🙂

Not one single person has said they want unrestrained border control.
Not one single person has claimed that everybody who comes here by small boat is a genuine asylum seeker.
Not one single person has denied that people with criminal intent enter the country through this route.

Please read the thread properly before making such wild accusations.

Joseann

I remember in school, we had the system tested by an agency regularly, as I believe any place with a large water tank has to be checked. The results were back in a matter of a few days. We always ran the taps for a while before use after a period of not using the system, like after school holidays and lockdown. Children aren't nearly as vulnerable as the elderly, and I assume the healthy young refugees fall into that category, so hopefully no one was too sick.

I'm not sure anyone was actually sick.

But, anyone who is health-vulnerable is more likely to catch any infection.

I was only 30 when I caught LD, but I'd not long had a big operation, so I guess I was pretty weakened by that. I would imagine that, if they have been fleeing across countries, as they say they have, and sometimes living rough, they might also be vulnerable.

Well, to clarify, some take the view that everyone rocking up is genuinely fleeing terror/persecution.

That we should keep them, but not in detention centres, barges, tents or anything - and can't seem to understand the dire housing shortage we have.

If anyone suggests that some of those turning up may be terrorists, criminals, opportunists, or evomnic migrants, they are immediately accused of being racist in some way. Yet, when they turn up without passports, we don't actually know who they are or where they have actually started from.

I would say that's wanting a policy that welcomes everyone who turns up at the South Coast.

My view though.🙂

I remember in school, we had the system tested by an agency regularly, as I believe any place with a large water tank has to be checked. The results were back in a matter of a few days. We always ran the taps for a while before use after a period of not using the system, like after school holidays and lockdown. Children aren't nearly as vulnerable as the elderly, and I assume the healthy young refugees fall into that category, so hopefully no one was too sick.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

dl Could be read as Just a statement though. And as a stand alone statement it is correct.

Fleurpepper

Facism and racism are not 'opinions' and can never be right.

I've looked back through this thread and cannot see a single post that's either racist or facist.🤔

Some want border control and controlled migration, which is reasonable, considering the dire housing shortage we have in this country.

Some want the traffickers stopped, because people are drowning - perfectly reasonable.

Some want unrestrained border control and to let everyone in - which is a point of view.

Throwing personal accusations in doesn't really help.🙄

Primrose53

Whitewavemark2

So Braverman and Jenrick knew about the legionnaires last Monday, but were still willing to risk both the staffs lives as well as the asylum seekers.

In my view their actions were criminal.

You don’t know that!

Just like the rubbish you posted about Nigel Farage not having enough money to have a Coutts account or being involved with Russians. Why post what you “think” you should only post what you know is correct. Even when Farage was cleared of all that you never apologise. It’s no wonder most people just scroll past your posts.

Hang on. In one post you say people should only post what they know to be correct. And then you post that ‘most people scroll past your posts’ which is something about which you haven’t got the faintest idea if it’s correct or not; you’re just stating your own uninformed personal opinion…

I can’t stand the personal attacks on here that crop up from time to time. I haven’t seen any ‘fascism’ or ‘racism’ on this particular thread, it is not about that. Looking for things to accuse people of doesn’t contribute to the debate in any way.

Anything considered to be against guidelines may be reported if you wish and GNHQ can decide if the post should remain or be deleted.

Facism and racism are not 'opinions' and can never be right.

Gives us all the stimulus to work out a convincing riposte ... maybe, Maremia, or to actually change our minds if proven wrong?

My apologies Primrose 53, (I had a look back at what you actually said), but I wonder who those posters are who advised you to do so? Would you and they genuinely relish bouncing around in an echo chamber? It's good to hear opposing views. Gives us all the stimulus to work out a convincing riposte.

I found this, which is interesting. It confirms that legionella is persistently present in hospitals, but that in Scotland no patients have been infected in the last ten years, which they put down to the control measures.
www.gla.ac.uk/news/archiveofnews/2022/october/headline_886883_en.html
Every time there is an outbreak in a hospital it hits the headlines, so it is safe to assume there is a very low incidence of infections UK wide - indeed, it’s one of the most rigorously applied checking systems in the NHS.