Refugees moved OFF BibbyStockholm barge..

Usually they report these things, and I've not heard, in local media, of any outbreaks round here in care homes or hospitals.

I think the last outbreak of anything much was a spike in TB cases, which is a shame because we had obliterated it at one point.

DiamondLily

The last stats regarding Legionella in hospitals and care homes seem to be in 2018/19, so it's hard to say what's going on now.

That’s very true as I have been looking too. That’s why I didn’t share any.

The last stats regarding Legionella in hospitals and care homes seem to be in 2018/19, so it's hard to say what's going on now.

I’m always very interested to read your posts WWM2 👍

Primrose53

legionellacontrol.com/guidance/why-is-legionella-a-bigger-risk-in-hospitals-care-homes/

Just to clarify Primrose53. There is a greater risk of legionella being present in hospitals and care homes. That does not equate to
‘ Hospitals and care homes are the most likely places to get Legionnaires disease’ as you suggested, because the control systems they employ are rigorous to prevent that happening. Higher risk does not equal higher occurrence.

Anywhere that takes paying guests/clients shoukd be testing properly.

It doesn't matter who they are.😏

I suppose the right or wrong thing comes up when people stay things that are factually incorrect.

It can be annoying if for example you know that there are 100 pence in a UK pound and someone insists there are 101.

This can happen with anything that's based on facts. Obviously scientific "facts" can change/depending or mutate with knowledge but are facts as we know them -ordinary facts are facts, not opinion.
I think this is true even on a political thread.

I don't think this is technically a political thread though. It's really about the news.

Like Fleur I do think that some things at least go way beyond 'different views' and are 100% wrong.

Maremia

Just a wee question for Primrose53, and your PM tag team. You scroll past WWM2s posts, so why then have I seen your posts on threads generated by WWM2?

I never said that! I said people have advised me to scroll past them.

legionellacontrol.com/guidance/why-is-legionella-a-bigger-risk-in-hospitals-care-homes/

HousePlantQueen

Primrose53

If it is Legionnaires disease that can happen in the best hotels anywhere. My friend visited a very posh hotel in Shropshire and just after she got home they had it and had to notify her.

It’s also common in swimming pools, hospitals and spas. Not sure why people are calling the Government names like “hopeless” and “incompetent and heartless”.

It is not common I swimming pools, hospitals and spas because they have a legal responsibility to check and to keep records which show they have checked. This is why the smarter of us are calling the government incompetent and hopeless.

Hospitals and care homes are the most likely places to get Legionnaires disease. Check it out yourself.

Fleurpepper

DiamondLily

Whitewavemark2

Thank you for your support peeps🤗.

Those who know me know that I avoid personal confrontation like the plague - mostly because I’m no good at it😄

Well, I read all posts - some I agree with, some I don't.😉

But, we're all entitled to different opinions, and there's no need to take other opinions seriously. It's a forum section, about politics - there's no actual right or wrong, just different views.

Sorry but NO- many things go way beyond 'different views' and are 100% wrong.

Well, not trying to be funny , but what you consider "wrong", someone else might consider to be right.

Everyone is entitled to a view, within GN guidelines - no one is the arbiter of opinion.

You don't have to agree with someone. That's life.🙂

Casdon

Fleurpepper

DiamondLily

Whitewavemark2

Thank you for your support peeps🤗.

Those who know me know that I avoid personal confrontation like the plague - mostly because I’m no good at it😄

Well, I read all posts - some I agree with, some I don't.😉

But, we're all entitled to different opinions, and there's no need to take other opinions seriously. It's a forum section, about politics - there's no actual right or wrong, just different views.

Sorry but NO- many things go way beyond 'different views' and are 100% wrong.

It’s an open forum, and people are entitled to put forward any views, even though some of them are shocking to other people. What is completely unacceptable is to make unpleasant personal remarks or display racism.
It does drive me mad when people post inflammatory, inaccurate or made up information, I know that’s probably my issue though because I’m a checker.

👍

Fleurpepper

DiamondLily

Whitewavemark2

Thank you for your support peeps🤗.

Those who know me know that I avoid personal confrontation like the plague - mostly because I’m no good at it😄

Well, I read all posts - some I agree with, some I don't.😉

But, we're all entitled to different opinions, and there's no need to take other opinions seriously. It's a forum section, about politics - there's no actual right or wrong, just different views.

Sorry but NO- many things go way beyond 'different views' and are 100% wrong.

It’s an open forum, and people are entitled to put forward any views, even though some of them are shocking to other people. What is completely unacceptable is to make unpleasant personal remarks or display racism.
It does drive me mad when people post inflammatory, inaccurate or made up information, I know that’s probably my issue though because I’m a checker.

Fleurpepper

DiamondLily

Whitewavemark2

Thank you for your support peeps🤗.

Those who know me know that I avoid personal confrontation like the plague - mostly because I’m no good at it😄

Well, I read all posts - some I agree with, some I don't.😉

But, we're all entitled to different opinions, and there's no need to take other opinions seriously. It's a forum section, about politics - there's no actual right or wrong, just different views.

Sorry but NO- many things go way beyond 'different views' and are 100% wrong.

At the risk of disagreeing 🤔 may I say:

Views are just that - views aired on a chat forum.
Just because someone thinks someone's else's views are 100% wrong doesn't mean they're not allowed to air them.
Or that they are 100% wrong, in fact.

DiamondLily

Whitewavemark2

Thank you for your support peeps🤗.

Those who know me know that I avoid personal confrontation like the plague - mostly because I’m no good at it😄

Well, I read all posts - some I agree with, some I don't.😉

But, we're all entitled to different opinions, and there's no need to take other opinions seriously. It's a forum section, about politics - there's no actual right or wrong, just different views.

Sorry but NO- many things go way beyond 'different views' and are 100% wrong.

westendgirl

It is dreadful really. Six more refugees were put on the barge on Thursday, after the news was known about the legionella.

There will be staff on there too!

It is totally unacceptable

It is dreadful really. Six more refugees were put on the barge on Thursday, after the news was known about the legionella.

Whitewavemark2

Thank you for your support peeps🤗.

Those who know me know that I avoid personal confrontation like the plague - mostly because I’m no good at it😄

Well, I read all posts - some I agree with, some I don't.😉

But, we're all entitled to different opinions, and there's no need to take other opinions seriously. It's a forum section, about politics - there's no actual right or wrong, just different views.

DiamondLily

NotSpaghetti

diamondlily - if the test results were not sent to private contractors until the Monday, as you say, and the Home Office weren't told till Wednesday, then maybe the contract isn't very good - and maybe the government should have got the residents off on Wednesday instead of Thursday/Friday... ?

Seems very sloppy however you look at it.

Well, I relayed my experience (in 1986), and just lifted the article from the Independent.

It does seem sloppy, because LD can be and often is, lethal.

Especially if your physical resistance is low.

No, the contract doesn't seem too good, but we have seen this, endlessly, during Covid, with the government and private contractors falling down on the job.🙄

To be fair, this could have happened at any hotel, or centre, because it's not about barges, it's about doing the normal health checks with a duty of care towards "guests" and staff.

The laws relating to Legionella:

The two main pieces of legislation are the Health and Safety at Work Act (1974) and the Control of Substances Hazardous to Health Regulation (1994). Organisations that fail to comply with HSE ACoP L8 The Control of Legionella Bacteria in Water Systems may be prosecuted under either of these regulations.

It can get complicated, and be a long process to clear the tanks and water pipes:

www.cdc.gov/nceh/ehs/water/legionella/building-water-system.html

NotSpaghetti

diamondlily - if the test results were not sent to private contractors until the Monday, as you say, and the Home Office weren't told till Wednesday, then maybe the contract isn't very good - and maybe the government should have got the residents off on Wednesday instead of Thursday/Friday... ?

Seems very sloppy however you look at it.

Well, I relayed my experience (in 1986), and just lifted the article from the Independent.

It does seem sloppy, because LD can be and often is, lethal.

Especially if your physical resistance is low.

No, the contract doesn't seem too good, but we have seen this, endlessly, during Covid, with the government and private contractors falling down on the job.🙄

To be fair, this could have happened at any hotel, or centre, because it's not about barges, it's about doing the normal health checks with a duty of care towards "guests" and staff.

Farzanah

Well Whitewave won’t be “talking to herself”, there’s plenty of us who take notice of her here. GN isn’t an exclusive club for those of just one political persuasion.

I find it hard to understand why anyone was allowed onto the barge without all the health checks completed and results known. Legionella can take a few days to develop so I hope no asylum seekers have been infected.

These pesky “leftie” bacteria out to thwart the government.

Oh yes, and when you combine the 'leftie bacteria' with the 'health and safety gone mad' stuff it's out of control, and probably a plot by Corbyn too.

GrannyGravy13

The BBC reported this morning that a deep clean is underway and that once a clear test result is received the refugees should be moved back to the Stockholm Bibby in appropriate a weeks time.

The problem is, GrannyGravy, that a deep clean is not always enough.

I am not an expert but my OH knows a fair bit about Legionella, how to deal with it and all the ongoing issues which re-occurr.
Sometimes, in established buildings or something like this barge, whole systems have to be put in place including pumps etc (it can all become very complicated and would take too long to repeat the explanation he gave me yesterday, if only I could remember it as well ........).

So there may be a quick fix or possibly not.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

We hold differing views on a myriad of topics, but I respect you as a poster.

But we do disagree - agreeably😄 as Rory Stewart would say.

Whitewavemark2

We hold differing views on a myriad of topics, but I respect you as a poster.