Refugees moved OFF BibbyStockholm barge..

Tbh I would have thought that with such a serious notifiable disease the contractors would have communicated asap, which would have been Monday. And the authorities who found the disease would almost certainly have notified the HO I would have thought, but I have no information to provide as evidence yet.

Whitewavemark2

Oh I’ve just seen your post diamond thank you as I have been looking for ages but can’t find the source of what I read in the middle of the night.

I think I will ask GN to take it down as it seems to be incorrect information, and in these time of hectic accusations I think it is essential to be as accurate as I can be.

I don't know - politicians lie so much, and cover up so much, that it's hard to know the truth anymore.

People are now saying instead of tough guy stuff, the whole farce has turned into a version of "Carry on Over the Channel" lol 🙄

Oh I’ve just seen your post diamond thank you as I have been looking for ages but can’t find the source of what I read in the middle of the night.

I think I will ask GN to take it down as it seems to be incorrect information, and in these time of hectic accusations I think it is essential to be as accurate as I can be.

"Letters handed to asylum seekers on the Bibby Stockholm said the contaminated water sample had been taken on 25 July, but
The Independent understands that test results were not sent to private contractors until Monday, and were communicated to the Home Office on Wednesday.

The UK Health Security Agency did not advise an evacuation until Thursday night, and officials said they had gone beyond recommendations by taking everyone off the barge rather than a small group.

The Home Office said no asylum seekers had presented with symptoms of the dangerous legionnaires’ disease, and that the evacuation was a “precautionary measure” while further tests are carried out.

A spokesperson insisted there was no risk to the wider community of Portland from the barge, which is being run by private firms under a wider £1.6bn contract.

Louie O’Leary, a Tory councillor on Dorset Council who opposed the barge plan, said the problem should have been sorted out during safety checks. “I hope it’s not too late for a rethink,” he told The Independent.

“You can’t polish a turd. Most of us said this was not a sensible thing to do, and that’s proving to be the case. It’s costly and complex, and it’s not better than housing people in hotels.”

Asylum seekers were still on board the barge when the Home Office announced the evacuation on Friday afternoon, with charity workers telling The Independent they had not been told anything about the Legionella bacteria or given any safety precautions relating to water.

The former Tory minister said that even before the barge evacuation, the government’s “week of gimmicks” had been a transparent attempt to distract from “operational failures to stop the boats”.

“All they’re doing is reinforcing the fact that the government has failed and the public has seen that,” they added.

Stephen Kinnock, Labour’s shadow immigration minister, said: “The Tories’ asylum chaos is going from bad to worse.

“They cannot even get the most basic things right. Reports of dangerous Legionella bacteria on board come on top of fire safety delays and the revelation that it won’t stop costs and hotel use going up even further because the backlog is so high.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bibby-stockholm-legionnaires-barge-evacuated-b2391678.html

I’ll get it

Whitewavemark2

So Braverman and Jenrick knew about the legionnaires last Monday, but were still willing to risk both the staffs lives as well as the asylum seekers.

In my view their actions were criminal.

I can't find any confirmation of this. What was your source?.

I don't know the timings WWM
The people may have been on board 1st to be fair.

I haven't heard more than that the testing of the water supply on board was carried out on 25 July but the results did not come back until 7 Aug- the day the asylum seekers began to board.

They may not have known till after they were on?

But apparently the supply up to the barge is clear.
It is on board systems that have the problem.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Whitewavemark2

The most sensible thing and one which would stop the small board would be to take up the French offer of a processing centre on the French coast.

But it doesn’t fit the government agenda..

They need the “enemy” still coming across in small boats to help fight the next election.

So why didn't the government take up the offer - 'officially'?

Surely it could potentially drastically reduced the number of small boats?

Perhaps the government didn't want to be seen to be working too closely with France in case red-blooded Brexiters thought the government was 'back-tracking' on Brexit. I'm sure it would cost a bit to set-up, but would that cost compare with the £5 million a day, or whatever the figure is...

…can we have the money back we are shovelling to Macron? Or at the very least, stop paying the French and put these HUGE amounts to better use.

Indeed. What exactly are the French doing that they need so much money? What are they doing with the money? 750 arrived yesterday! I would defy any government in any country to cope with it. I think we do very well by these people. But I really would like to know what the French are taking the money for and how it is being used since it seems to have no effect on the migrants arriving here.

Primrose53

If it is Legionnaires disease that can happen in the best hotels anywhere. My friend visited a very posh hotel in Shropshire and just after she got home they had it and had to notify her.

It’s also common in swimming pools, hospitals and spas. Not sure why people are calling the Government names like “hopeless” and “incompetent and heartless”.

It is not common I swimming pools, hospitals and spas because they have a legal responsibility to check and to keep records which show they have checked. This is why the smarter of us are calling the government incompetent and hopeless.

GrannyGravy13

Sorry Callistemon21 I am multi tasking, and badly 🤣

😀 that's fine, juggling is not always easy.

I mentioned this to DH and now I'm an expert on Legionella and how it should be dealt with.

He finds the fact that it was there entirely possible but the fact it had not been dealt with inexcusable.

It's just a complete shambles, just like everything else. I despair!

So legionnaires was discovered as a possibility on Monday, the same day as refugees entered the barge
So my question is why was this allowed to proceed?
Is it incompetence?
Is it negligence?
Is it a clarion call to the hard of thinking?
Small boats week, how's that going?

The most sensible thing and one which would stop the small board would be to take up the French offer of a processing centre on the French coast.

But it doesn’t fit the government agenda..

They need the “enemy” still coming across in small boats to help fight the next election.

This reads like an episode of a government farce

Jon Sopel

So how has government’s ‘stop the boats’ week gone?
* barge now being emptied
* 750 new arrivals yesterday; total at 100k
* Many more expected with calm seas
* Border Force vessel breaks down
* £400k monitor drone crashes into sea
* Lee Anderson says policy has failed.

Hot tube 😱
Hot tub!
I wouldn’t use a hot tube either……

I think if it was known before, or when they boarded then it is sheer negligence allowing them to continue.
Incidentally I would never use a hot tube anywhere. My medical friends and I call them rectal washouts.

JenniferEccles

It makes me so cross that we are paying millions to France to stop these boats yet still they come. The government is thwarted at every turn in trying to cope with the huge numbers turning up here, but the barge did seem to be a cheaper way of housing these migrants.

It’s impossible to overestimate just how stressful this issue must be for the government, but paying six million pounds A DAY for hotel accommodation is not sustainable.

If only the Rwanda plan could go ahead, there’s every chance that could act as a sufficient deterrent.

Record day today. Another 755 today!!

Ex Labour MP on GB News tonight says Rwanda is perfectly safe, is a great place to live (he has a home there) and a thriving economy. It is known as The Switzerland of Africa as it is also very beautiful. He says it would be a great place for economic migrants to make a new life.

There are also no laws or rules there that people cannot be homosexual so another good reason for some of them to go. Bang goes another excuse!

When we started doing holiday lets the agency really tried to pressurise me into getting a hot tub but I refused because I had read articles where people had caught Legionnaires from hot tubs which have not been cleaned thoroughly. Too much responsibility and I would feel dreadful if anything happened to someone.

As soon as the awful Jenrick assured us that the barge was safe it was just a question of time. They continue to live down to my expectations

Visgir1

I can remember ages ago a ward in the Hospital I work shutting due to a routine check found Legionnaires in the Shower.
They check routinely in hospitals and
Government bases.

Exactly- surely a facility that was going to be used to house 100s should have been checked thoroughly beforehand!

Casdon

Callistemon21

GrannyGravy13

Germanshepherdsmum

Primrose53

If it is Legionnaires disease that can happen in the best hotels anywhere. My friend visited a very posh hotel in Shropshire and just after she got home they had it and had to notify her.

It’s also common in swimming pools, hospitals and spas. Not sure why people are calling the Government names like “hopeless” and “incompetent and heartless”.

Any excuse to bash the government Primrose, any excuse.

They also need to find the source of the bacteria, it could be in the pipes coming onto the barge, in which case any other outlets the pipes serve need to be tested.

I said that 😀

Legionnaires happens when there is poor management of the control systems, we had a very strict procedure in the NHS for flushing supplies, and hotels and other businesses where people stay should be doing the same. It’s managed through government legislation.
www.hse.gov.uk/legionnaires/what-you-must-do.htm
I would expect that this would have been a delegated function for a company commissioned by the government to maintain the Biiby Stockholm, rather than a direct government responsibility.
I take issue with what Primrose says though, Legionnaires is not common, there are only about 500 events a year in the UK, and it’s always to be treated very seriously where it is found.

Maybe I should have said “not that uncommon” then. I realise it is serious too.

westendgirl

Surely the minister was informed and the Home Secretary.
A resigning matter if that is the case .

Either they knew, or they didn't- in both case total incompetence bordering on criminal.

I can remember ages ago a ward in the Hospital I work shutting due to a routine check found Legionnaires in the Shower.
They check routinely in hospitals and
Government bases.