Lucy Letby found guilty.

Blinko
As an intellectual construct, possibly. Emotionally though, I doubt she did. She seems to lack emotional intelligence or any ability to empathise with the rest of humanity.

She had intelligence enough to know that if she did what she did and if she was found out she would spend the rest of her life in prison. Emotions do not come into it.

The judge told them that majority was enough as it wasn't looking looking like unanimity was going to be achieved.

the jury was not divided, was it ??
they were unanimous verdicts.

The interview with her friend Dawn for Panorama was done before the verdict. Her friends may have changed their minds now. Unless anyone has seen otherwise since the verdict on Friday?

LL had asked her friends not to go to court, so they may not have known much about the evidence. Depending on whether they followed the case in the media.

I wonder if they know more now. I would not be supporting her in their place. I would read about the case, though. I'm curious in general.

I don't know though. I wonder if the first one was a genuine accident and she enjoyed the attention, sympathy and support she received. After that she was tempted to try again and things spiralled out of her control and it was too bad and too late to stop. She obviously hated herself judging by her writing but was in such a hole that there was no coming back. A silly impulsive girl dangerously placed with such vulnerable babies and parents. It was interesting that the jury was divided and that her friends have stuck by her.

Blinko

^She was also more than capable of understanding the horror society has for such crimes and how anyone committing such crimes would be seen as a pariah anywhere^

As an intellectual construct, possibly. Emotionally though, I doubt she did. She seems to lack emotional intelligence or any ability to empathise with the rest of humanity.

In other words, a sociopath.

She was also more than capable of understanding the horror society has for such crimes and how anyone committing such crimes would be seen as a pariah anywhere

As an intellectual construct, possibly. Emotionally though, I doubt she did. She seems to lack emotional intelligence or any ability to empathise with the rest of humanity.

Good post MOnica,
Lucy Letby knew what she was doing, chose to murder babies, some of them didn’t die but now live with devastating health difficulties.
Blinko. Of course you’re right, killing babies isn’t ‘normal’ behaviour. Some psychiatrists say psychopathy isn’t treatable. Nothing is treatable without the inmate/patient wanting to change. There’s absolutely no evidence of that
She will join Rose West and others at Low Newton/Durham where she will be another of their high profile prisoners.

I would agree Blondiescot. I rarely watch those programmes unless one catches my eye.
But I do like pshycology in general.

Presonally, it would go round and round my head.
One of the parents whose child was saved after an attempt, thinks her baby got targeted because she had put in a complaint about the nurse.

Babies in special care, their parents can have a lot of interaction with the nurses over the weeks. [I had babies in special care years ago, for quite a while].

Apart from anything else, I would be querying whether I had done something to upset the nurse.
That would be just one of many many thoughts I would have.

I think many people are fascinated by true crime, especially serial killers. You just have to look at the popularity of true crime documentaries, podcasts etc. Perhaps it's because they cannot comprehend how someone could commit such evil acts that they want to get some insight into the minds of those who do?

Knowing why changes nothing.

Why is it necessarry to know why LL did what she did?

Some of the parents will want to know why.
I most certainly would if I were them.

She must have.

Kate1949

It's a very strange case. One of her best friends, who has known her all her life said she will never believe she is guilty unless she hears it from Letby herself.

Has she not seen the notebooks?

It's a very strange case. One of her best friends, who has known her all her life said she will never believe she is guilty unless she hears it from Letby herself.

Good post M0nica

She wrote down her feelings too, she knew full well what she was doing. The notebooks were part of the evidence presented to court.

Iam64

Blinko, the defence couldn’t plead insanity. She was found not to have been psychotic, suffering from a treatable mental illness when she was killing and harming these babies, nor when arrested.

I appreciate she may not have met specific criteria for mental illness. Is being a psychopath treatable, though? Killing babies for whatever reason is surely not normal behaviour?

Why is it necessarry to know why LL did what she did?

All that matters is that she killed and harmed these babies, and may have killed and harmed others and that in this society, indeed in almost any society, this behaviour is considered heinous in the extreme and society as a whole needs to be protected from her and she has to suffer the punishment society deems appropriate for such crimes.

She is an intelligent educated woman, who knew what she was doing was wrong and what would be likely to happen to her if she was found out. She was also more than capable of understanding the horror society has for such crimes and how anyone committing such crimes would be seen as a pariah anywhere.

These punishments are there so that if anyone is tempted to even toy with the idea of doing what she did, the knowledge of what would happen to them then will be sufficient to put them off.

IN LL's case where she killed and harmed so many, she must have known, that no how much she tried to brazen it out, sooner or later what she was doing and how she was doing it would be found out.

I am not interested in why she did what she did. All that matters is that she did it, that she would have had full knowledge of what would happen if she was caught. She was caught convicted and must serve out her punishment.

Primrose53

I think it would be a good idea if these SCBUs (or whatever they call them these days) had CCTV installed for the protection of babies, parents and staff.

My baby daughter was in such a unit years ago and on occasions they would only have a couple of babies in and hardly any staff.

It depends on the type of neonatal care nursing:
Intensive care1.1
High dependency 2.1
Special care 4.1
As well as HCA assistance.
Hope this gives you an idea.

This case is bothering me. I dont usually take too much notice of this type of thing.
I think it is the lack, to me, of an obvious reason.

In her note, [and not totally convinced it is genuine rather than her lying or being manipulative], she says she wasnt good enough for the babies. something like that.

Maybe she made a previous mistake, before the killings started? Then "sabotaged" herself,because she had accidently done something wrong before?

Maybe someone somewhere said something, which triggered her in some way?

I am not convinced that the real reason has yet come out.

I can understand that her parents are standing by her. Many reasons why that might happen.

I am not so understanding of why her friends are standing by her as well.
Pretty sure if a friend of mine was convicted in a Court of Law, by a 12 person jury, of murdering seven babies, I would not much hesitate to believe the verdict.
I may think I didnt know the reason for it, but I dont think I would much doubt the verdict.

Blinko, the defence couldn’t plead insanity. She was found not to have been psychotic, suffering from a treatable mental illness when she was killing and harming these babies, nor when arrested.

I think it would be a good idea if these SCBUs (or whatever they call them these days) had CCTV installed for the protection of babies, parents and staff.

My baby daughter was in such a unit years ago and on occasions they would only have a couple of babies in and hardly any staff.

I agree Whitewavemark. If she wanted to know what the parents said in their statements, she should have been in court when they were read.

Whoops sorry,
He'd obtained the opiates illegally
What got him caught was that his last victim was a wealthy woman and he forged a will and tricked her into signing it, thinking it was consent for a medical procedure.
The will made him sole beneficiary to her estate
When the investigation began it was discovered through looking at the computer records that many entries had been inserted, trying to cover his tracks but he wasn't clever enough to realize that such changes showed the time and date they were made
Don't think anyone really knows why he did it either