We’re rejoining the Horizon programme….

I’ve been on GN for years and the only posters I’ve seen hurling insults around have been remainers.
They still ‘demand’ leavers give their reasons for voting brexit ( 10 years on) still insist leavers have ruined their lives & stolen their children’s futures etc etc - no wonder hardly any leavers post on this board.
The vast, vast, majority of people on the news & politics board are anti government, & anti brexit, and a few have been extremely insulting over the years. One or two possibly even banned as I haven’t seen one particular one in a while.
So all this singling out one leave voter as ‘okay’ is quite insulting in itself don’t you think? It just means the rest of us are inferior species who can’t string a sentence together.
So yes, an insult in disguise.

Dickens

Whitewavemark2

Usuallyright have a look at other avid brexiters - I recommend looking at urmstons posts. I disagree with practically everything she says, but I have a lot of respect for her as she posts with such grace, without feeling the need to be rude or unpleasantness.
In fact there have been a couple of times I have posted back being a bit sharp and always regret doing so, because she is always so nice in her posts (but of course entirely wrong😄😄) and that’s all I have to say on the subject!!

I second that!

Urmstongran doesn't resort to insults (at least, I've not seen any) and gives her reasons for voting Brexit. And I respect her for that - even though I don't agree with her

Thirded…

usuallyright

Is this another thin edge of the wedge, or way of reversing the Brexit vote to advantage of the of the non-thinking anti-Brexiteers. I could say a lot more but I am fed up with the continual whinging of the mindless minority.

In answer to your first question - probably not. Brexit will not be 'reversed'. The UK government - whichever it might be - in the distant future (when we might be dead and gone) could well make tentative steps to re-join at some point. Probably, possibly, the deciding factor for such a decision will be an economic one. Most decisions are made on that basis.

Your second 'point' is debatable - it could well be that Brexiters are now in the minority.

My point is - why do you have to be so rude in your choice of language?

And, finally, no-one is stopping you from "saying a lot more" - that is, generally, what a debate is about.

Whitewavemark2

Usuallyright have a look at other avid brexiters - I recommend looking at urmstons posts. I disagree with practically everything she says, but I have a lot of respect for her as she posts with such grace, without feeling the need to be rude or unpleasantness.
In fact there have been a couple of times I have posted back being a bit sharp and always regret doing so, because she is always so nice in her posts (but of course entirely wrong😄😄) and that’s all I have to say on the subject!!

I second that!

Urmstongran doesn't resort to insults (at least, I've not seen any) and gives her reasons for voting Brexit. And I respect her for that - even though I don't agree with her

The day after the referendum DD and her colleagues had a meeting with some of their European colleagues. When they walked through the door they were greeted with "What the f* have you done?" Since then funding has dried up, projects have been turned down and foreign students are thin on the ground. Her feeling is that returning to Horizon is great, but it will take years to repair the damage.

usuallyright

Is this another thin edge of the wedge, or way of reversing the Brexit vote to advantage of the of the non-thinking anti-Brexiteers. I could say a lot more but I am fed up with the continual whinging of the mindless minority.

Not sure I read your post right. You do know who is continually whinging mindless minority is now- don't you?

The DT is talking rubbish. There are leading research teams in the EU as we saw in the German development of Covid vaccine. Not being in the Horizon programme prevented leading EU scientists joining UK universities and UK university research teams taking the lead in some key projects. The notion that the EU is a research backwater is simply wishful thinking. The fact that Sunak has decided to join Horizon shows that the Global Britain alternative was unlikely to deliver.

Urmstongran

What a lovely compliment to pay me Whitewave! I just think descending into childish jibes spoils a healthy debate. I realise I’m in the minority (especially on GN - or those who post anyway 🤣) but I wouldn’t say I was ‘mindless’. That’s a bit of an insult.

Often I feel I’m a lone voice in the wind ha! But it generates responses and keeps a thread feisty and ongoing. More entertaining to read than an echo chamber! I know my role and play it as best I can when my circs allow.

You are welcome🙂👍

What a lovely compliment to pay me Whitewave! I just think descending into childish jibes spoils a healthy debate. I realise I’m in the minority (especially on GN - or those who post anyway 🤣) but I wouldn’t say I was ‘mindless’. That’s a bit of an insult.

Often I feel I’m a lone voice in the wind ha! But it generates responses and keeps a thread feisty and ongoing. More entertaining to read than an echo chamber! I know my role and play it as best I can when my circs allow.

I see that the pundits are of the opinion that closer working will be inevitable, and introduced by the next government whatever its colour.

In 2025 there is a review of the 5 year agreement, and that is when we should expect and get closer relations.

At last Horizon funding is back but how many thousands will be applying for funding after such a long gap. Loss of horizon funding has been disastrous for so many

Usuallyright have a look at other avid brexiters - I recommend looking at urmstons posts. I disagree with practically everything she says, but I have a lot of respect for her as she posts with such grace, without feeling the need to be rude or unpleasantness.
In fact there have been a couple of times I have posted back being a bit sharp and always regret doing so, because she is always so nice in her posts (but of course entirely wrong😄😄) and that’s all I have to say on the subject!!

usuallyright

Is this another thin edge of the wedge, or way of reversing the Brexit vote to advantage of the of the non-thinking anti-Brexiteers. I could say a lot more but I am fed up with the continual whinging of the mindless minority.

Is it possible to have a discussion about Brexit without descending to cliches such as 'Remoaners' (at least think up an original insult if you must be rude), or 'mindless' - what does that even mean in this context?

I am under the impression that surveys show if there were a vote tomorrow it would be to remain, so those in favour would be the minority, but the point of discussions like this is for individuals to give their views, not to resort to meaningless jibes.

Why not 'say a lot more' if you have anything worth saying? Most people are able to respect the fact that there is more than one point of view on the matter.

MaizieD

vegansrock

The mindless minority are those who think Brexit has been a success.

Or, it would have been a success if it had been done right...

Still waiting fir the amazing trade deal with America. And the India one isn’t going very well, is it….

vegansrock

The mindless minority are those who think Brexit has been a success.

Or, it would have been a success if it had been done right...

The mindless minority are those who think Brexit has been a success.

usuallyright

Is this another thin edge of the wedge, or way of reversing the Brexit vote to advantage of the of the non-thinking anti-Brexiteers. I could say a lot more but I am fed up with the continual whinging of the mindless minority.

The non-thinking minority? Aha, you presumably mean those who still think that Brexit was a great idea!

Is this another thin edge of the wedge, or way of reversing the Brexit vote to advantage of the of the non-thinking anti-Brexiteers. I could say a lot more but I am fed up with the continual whinging of the mindless minority.

Trurider1

A lot of very Typical answeres from Europhiles and Remoaners that ignore the true FACTS.

The UK had agreed prior to leaving the E.U. participation in the Horizon project. But when we left the E.U. acted like a Spoilt child and said YOU are not playing with my toys. We said - Fine We will keep our money which upset them.

We then said - WE had an agrement and we will see you in Court. Guess who has won!!!

Now everyone appreciates that making deals with the E.U. is not straitforward as the E.U. is not trustworthy.

Which fairy tale book have you been reading?

This is nonsense.

A friend’s son and my DD both teach in universities in Europe. Different countries. Both teach in English.
British children need to learn other language skills but there is such a lot of pressure on children to learn what they have to learn. I do not know what the answer to that is.

Urmstongran Who actually wrote that article in the Telegraph? Sorry, but some of it absolute nonsense.

Admittedly, the EU doesn't have an institution with the same reputation as Oxford or Cambridge, but it has some faculties which knock spots off anywhere in the UK. Not only that, but very talented researchers from the EU have found it more difficult to come to the UK, so British universities have lost out on them. Not belonging to Horizon has meant that British universities couldn't take the lead in prestigious international projects.

MayBee70

Doodledog

I sincerely hope so.

Erasmus was available to undergrads too, and I taught many lovely students from all over Europe as a result. UK students could apply too, although they tended not to have the language skills to take advantage. Some universities (eg ones in Cyprus) teach in English, however, so they could widen their horizons by going there.

For those not familiar with the Erasmus scheme, it allows students to take a semester (usually half an academic year) in another European university and get the credits towards their home degree.

Braverman took part in the Erasmus scheme I believe….

Braverman studied French (I think).

My daughter spent a semester as an Erasmus student in Dublin, where she studied Irish history from an Irish perspective, which she found enlightening. She also made friends with young people all over Europe and is still in contact with a number of them after a decade.

There were opportunities for students without foreign language skills. I know a young man who was studying physics, went to Grenoble as an Erasmus student, met his future French wife ... and the rest is history. Unfortunately, the UK lost a very talented physicist.

Exactly so Doodledog!

The sheer brass neck of it surprised me as much as anything, Urmstongran!

I will never forget someone posting to say that they were a lurker but regularly reported posts they thought were 'not in the spirit of GN'! I have little patience with freeloaders at the best of times, but that took the biscuit

I remember that post too Doodledog 😡
It quite surprised me at the time!