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Tory U-Turn on green policies

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Casdon Wed 20-Sept-23 21:32:38

growstuff

And who said anything about seven bins?

I’ve got 6 bins already, and it’s fine.
Garden waste
Black non recyclable
Glass
Plastic and metal
Paper
Food waste
Mind you, I am in Wales, and we are more into recycling.

growstuff Wed 20-Sept-23 21:27:36

And who said anything about seven bins?

growstuff Wed 20-Sept-23 21:26:30

The scrapping of rules to make landlords improve energy efficiency doesn't help tenants, who will be the ones paying higher energy bills. It's smoke and mirrors.

Hetty58 Wed 20-Sept-23 21:07:31

I think it's short-sighted and utterly disgraceful - exactly what I'd expect from this pathetic government.

'We' had the chance to set a good example to the world - but wasted it. Younger people feel let down and they won't easily forgive or forget.

It's not about an 'affordable pace' - it's about commercial interests (as usual). In reality, we simply can't afford not to make drastic changes, and rapidly.

MaizieD Wed 20-Sept-23 20:52:36

I really don't think that climate change is going to hang about waiting for the world's countries to achieve net zero more slowly than they had previously promised.

fancythat Wed 20-Sept-23 20:46:06

About half way through last year, I had a look back at "expert" predictions about all manner of things the previous New Year.
Only about 1/4 of them were on course to happen.

I realised at that point, that things have become very unpredictable.

fancythat Wed 20-Sept-23 20:44:29

Everything seems so apt to be changeable, that I am starting to think the same way.
For now, things have been rowed back. Good.
What will happen in 1 year, 5 or 10? Who can predict nowadays?

Grammaretto Wed 20-Sept-23 20:24:19

It's a crying shame.
The original plans weren't particularly advanced and now this U turn

It doesn't surprise me. If you read some of the threads on here you quickly realise that the public care more about their holidays, cars, and standard of living and would prefer the climate crisis to go away and not bother them.

J52 Wed 20-Sept-23 20:13:57

Wasn’t the ‘unaffordable’ pace set by this government?

Casdon Wed 20-Sept-23 20:10:48

What is wrong with Sunak that makes him think it’s okay for him to disregard parliamentary convention?
www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-climate-change-cars-petrol-diesel-oil-war-global-tory-b1108181.html
He should know how things work by now, surely?
He needs to read that old Dale Carnegie book, How to Win Friends and Influence People, because it’s becoming clear he has no idea how to. .

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Sept-23 20:10:30

If it's going to succeed an 'affordable pace' IMO is the only option.

J52 Wed 20-Sept-23 20:10:01

So ‘we’ have a good ideas on climate change and reaching emission targets. Then decide some years later it wasn’t a good idea - chaos.

Fleurpepper Wed 20-Sept-23 20:07:16

We, our grandchildren actually, DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR 'AFFORDABLE' PACE.

I am disgusted with going back on all the promises, live exports, animal and pet imports, sewerage, and now this.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 20-Sept-23 20:05:16

It seems very sensible to me. We have to move forward at an/affordable pace.

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Sept-23 19:48:19

I agree Oreo and GrannyGravy and I think it's the right decision.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 20-Sept-23 19:31:39

I agree MerylStreep it’s important to take the majority with you on something important and lifestyle changing as net zero.

aggie Wed 20-Sept-23 19:30:25

I’m too old for it to affect me , but what kind of environment are our children going to see ?
We need to stop using fossil fuels for a start

MerylStreep Wed 20-Sept-23 19:20:14

It was very much a Tony Blair speech. Obviously not the content but the way it was delivered. Very clever.
I think the pace of the changes are too fast to expect people to accept. It will come but it has to be slower.
If anyone doubts my green credentials I lived off grid by solar and wind for 20 years.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 20-Sept-23 19:10:15

So he has made his statement.

Pushing back stopping petrol/diesel vehicle production to 2035 aligns the U.K. with the EU.

Seems sensible as the industry is a cross border business.

Oreo Wed 20-Sept-23 19:01:44

I watched him give the statement and thought it was sensible to row back on some of the things that the public are worried about.It’s all very well going green but not when it gives people nightmares as to how they’ll ever afford it.Apparently the UK is doing well with all things eco friendly anyway.
Using what natural oil and gas we have ourselves instead of buying it in, pushing back by some years electric car buying and not worrying too soon about getting rid of gas boilers for the very expensive heat pumps is the right thing to do.
Of course it would have been better if they hadn’t promised to make it all happen earlier in the first place! Just thankful that he saw sense now.

westendgirl Wed 20-Sept-23 18:40:28

The speaker is also very angry and has written to the P.M.about his delivering this statement during the recession. It should have been delivered to the House first.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 20-Sept-23 18:16:56

😄 a lot of stuff he talked about are nonsense.

Absolutely no one is talking about 7 bins or tax on flights and meat.

Delaying the rule on no petrol cars after 2030 will do nothing. People can still drive their petrol cars, no one is forcing them to buy an electric car from 2030. In fact the car industry is committed to the change, all Sunak is doing is to create chaos.

There was an Oxford university professor on bbc news who was very critical of Sunak’s reversal. He argued that the consumer should bear the entire burden, but those making money from extraction of fossil fuels should also be made to pay, whilst ensuring the extra cost would not be passed onto the consumer.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 20-Sept-23 18:08:10

Has he actually made a statement or is this still leaked information?

DiamondLily Wed 20-Sept-23 18:04:55

Oh well, nothing new with u-turns I suppose.

"Rishi takes axe to Tory green plans warning current 2030 target would cost families £15,000: PM waters down ban on gas boilers and petrol and diesel cars, scraps plans for seven bins per home and says there will be no extra tax on flights or meat"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-66863110

www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html