Just how stupid do the Tories think we are?

GrannyRose15

So you don’t think my comment deserves a reply. Just showing your ignorance if you think it is only about leaving houses less well insulated. Many many houses in this country cannot be insulated to the degree that has been suggested. It is simply another way to get at landlords and has meant that many have already left the sector. Where are people going to live if they cannot live in the available housing because it doesn’t meet some unrealistic standard. A standard incidentally that doesn’t apply to local authority or housing association properties - they can be as cold and as damp as you like. It’s only private landlords that are supposed to pay for the deterioration of the housing stock in this country over many years.

And where have you been while communities have been discussing recycling. Lincolnshire households already have 4 bins each. It’s not a big leap to think we might be expected to have more. Glad to have some reassurance that it won’t reach as many as 7.

I'm not the one who is ignorant about the housing stock, especially the rental stock, of the UK.

GrannyRose15

Private landlords are the professionals. It is local authorities that are playing at it.

That's nonsense! Some private landlords are cowboys (and girls), who see renting property as an opportunity to earn a quick buck with no consideration for their tenants.

I wouldn’t think many would spend anything
Iike 15% of their money on maintenance and if they had to they would be putting up the For Sale signs quick smart. Many here are putting rental properties on the market because of the rules and taxes. The result is even less available rentals so it has reached crisis levels. You need some sort of balance for both tenants and landlords and at the moment it is favouring tenants so the rents are going up and up because the houses are being removed from the rent pool.

Private landlords are the professionals. It is local authorities that are playing at it.

So you don’t think my comment deserves a reply. Just showing your ignorance if you think it is only about leaving houses less well insulated. Many many houses in this country cannot be insulated to the degree that has been suggested. It is simply another way to get at landlords and has meant that many have already left the sector. Where are people going to live if they cannot live in the available housing because it doesn’t meet some unrealistic standard. A standard incidentally that doesn’t apply to local authority or housing association properties - they can be as cold and as damp as you like. It’s only private landlords that are supposed to pay for the deterioration of the housing stock in this country over many years.

And where have you been while communities have been discussing recycling. Lincolnshire households already have 4 bins each. It’s not a big leap to think we might be expected to have more. Glad to have some reassurance that it won’t reach as many as 7.

GrannyRose15

Whitewavemark2

So are you telling me that landlords should never have been worried about achieving a EPC of C for their properties? Well that’s a relief! How silly of them to think that might be necessary if it wasn’t government policy.

Of course it damned well should be government policy. If landlords can't do that, they have no right to be letting out properties and should leave it to the professionals.

GrannyRose15

DaisyAnneReturns

GrannyRose

* Stop taxes on eating meat.
* Stop taxes to discourage flying
* Stop us being forced to sort rubbish into seven bins.
* Stop compulsory car sharing.
* Stop expensive insulation upgrades

Only one of these, which he says he is cancelling, even exists or has been suggested. By stopping the last one, which will only be "expensive" relative to the neglect of the property so far, he will simply make the poorest poorer.

I think that’s only five. And two of them are definitely real. At least in terms of being considered. The bins one has sparked alot of debate at local authority level. And the insulation one was threatening to make many people homeless when their landlords had to stop renting out their houses because it was impossible for them to reach the required standard.

So it's OK for tenants to live in a house without an EPC C? And pay for the privilege of doing so? Meanwhile, Landlords make money from the rent and capital appreciation. They should be spending about 15% of the rent on maintenance anyway.

I think that’s only five.

How many were you expecting GrannyRose? You asked for help; I offered what I knew. You are not paying for a service so how come you get to dictate?

You say "And two of them are definitely real" but don't elucidate. Sunak said he was scrapping "taxes". I guess, from what you go on to say, that your first attempt to show something is "real" is the suggestion that there was at least an intention for this goverment to over-ride what would normally be a counsel decision. If you had bothered to do any research yourself you would know that The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) later said it was "never the case that seven bins would be needed by household", and Tory MP Sir Simon Clarke, accused the PM of offering up "straw men" which "simply weren't policy".

I don't think your view, on leaving houses less insulated than needed, deserves a reply. I had put a generally held view in my last post.

With so many in the Conservative Party coming out to point out no such laws were ever on the statute book and with the little Princeling rushing towards his first anniversary on 25 October, (after which his Party can bring a vote of no confidence) I have a feeling that he may well have to promise his enemies on the Conservative side a Spring election. Silly man.

DaisyAnneReturns

Cabowich

MerylStreep

Keep people fearful and they’re easier to lead
They certainly proved they could do that with Covid. Now they know they can more or less do what they want with you.

I'll second that, MerylStreep.

What are you both fearful of?

DaisyAnnReturns
Your asking the wrong person when using the word fearful
That’s not me.
Im referring to the people who were scared shitless Re covid.
And by edicts given out by the government they saw exactly how people will obey.

Whitewavemark2

So are you telling me that landlords should never have been worried about achieving a EPC of C for their properties? Well that’s a relief! How silly of them to think that might be necessary if it wasn’t government policy.

Cabowich

MerylStreep

Keep people fearful and they’re easier to lead
They certainly proved they could do that with Covid. Now they know they can more or less do what they want with you.

I'll second that, MerylStreep.

What are you both fearful of?

GrannyRose15

DaisyAnneReturns

GrannyRose

* Stop taxes on eating meat.
* Stop taxes to discourage flying
* Stop us being forced to sort rubbish into seven bins.
* Stop compulsory car sharing.
* Stop expensive insulation upgrades

Only one of these, which he says he is cancelling, even exists or has been suggested. By stopping the last one, which will only be "expensive" relative to the neglect of the property so far, he will simply make the poorest poorer.

I think that’s only five. And two of them are definitely real. At least in terms of being considered. The bins one has sparked alot of debate at local authority level. And the insulation one was threatening to make many people homeless when their landlords had to stop renting out their houses because it was impossible for them to reach the required standard.

None are government policy. It is all smoke and mirrors, and people are very aware of it being so.

Sunak has looked very foolish.

Callistemon21

The extremely wealthy will, in all probability, not pay IHT as they will pay for the best advice available to avoid it and set up trusts etc.

As usual, it is those in the squeezed middle who will be the ones to pay.

41000 paid IT in 2022/23

The fact remains that only 4% pay inheritance tax- so it is only affected a very tiny minority of people.

DaisyAnneReturns

GrannyRose

* Stop taxes on eating meat.
* Stop taxes to discourage flying
* Stop us being forced to sort rubbish into seven bins.
* Stop compulsory car sharing.
* Stop expensive insulation upgrades

Only one of these, which he says he is cancelling, even exists or has been suggested. By stopping the last one, which will only be "expensive" relative to the neglect of the property so far, he will simply make the poorest poorer.

I think that’s only five. And two of them are definitely real. At least in terms of being considered. The bins one has sparked alot of debate at local authority level. And the insulation one was threatening to make many people homeless when their landlords had to stop renting out their houses because it was impossible for them to reach the required standard.

The extremely wealthy will, in all probability, not pay IHT as they will pay for the best advice available to avoid it and set up trusts etc.

As usual, it is those in the squeezed middle who will be the ones to pay.

Callistemon21

^Basically, if they put in, as is being mooted, a cut in Inheritance Tax for the 4% of the extremely wealthy who actually pay it^

It's not the extremely wealthy
It's anyone without a spouse or partner whose assets are over £325,000 or £500,000 if they leave their house to their children.

With house prices in parts of the country being well over that amount for a fairly modest property, that does not make a person a millionaire and certainly not extremely wealthy.

If only 4% pay it then they must be using loopholes.

Other countries seem to manage their tax affairs better than the UK even without IH.

Legal loophole is perfectly OK, the “extremely” wealthy say over £10m would have business assets that can be transferred with little or no tax.
It’s personal wealth that gets taxed, gifts out of income aren’t taxed, a high income individual can transfer a lot that way, several other ways to minimize IHT

Exactly Callistemon21 IHT hits far more than the top 4%

Basically, if they put in, as is being mooted, a cut in Inheritance Tax for the 4% of the extremely wealthy who actually pay it

It's not the extremely wealthy
It's anyone without a spouse or partner whose assets are over £325,000 or £500,000 if they leave their house to their children.

With house prices in parts of the country being well over that amount for a fairly modest property, that does not make a person a millionaire and certainly not extremely wealthy.

If only 4% pay it then they must be using loopholes.

Other countries seem to manage their tax affairs better than the UK even without IH.

Whitewavemark2

I see Braverman is still banging on to join Russia and Belarus outside of the EHCR.

I don’t understand, what does that mean?
I thought we were supporting Ukraine and want little if anything to do with Russia.
Oh the penny’s dropped.
European Convention on Human Rights.
Okay.
Is she? I didn’t know.

I see Braverman is still banging on to join Russia and Belarus outside of the EHCR.

MerylStreep

^Keep people fearful and they’re easier to lead^
They certainly proved they could do that with Covid. Now they know they can more or less do what they want with you.

I'll second that, MerylStreep.

Whitewavemark2

Sunak seems to be making all sorts of policy announcements lately that have much more to do with his personal opinion, than anything discussed and decided by the cabinet, who seem to as much in the dark as the rest of the Tory party.

When we had proper government running the country, it was the minister responsible who announced the policy decisions, which had usually been thrashed out in cabinet, or at least with a group of cabinet members. All the ministers seem to do now is to try to clear up the muddle and mess of the PM.

He is trying to show he would be a "Prime Minister" of change. But we do not vote for a Prime Minister or a Party, we vote for our represenative who should uphold the Manifesto they are standing on.

Watch that manifesto come into being. Basically, if they put in, as is being mooted, a cut in Inheritance Tax for the 4% of the extremely wealthy who actually pay it, it should, under the Salisbury Convention, be passed by the Lords. If the Tory Party gets in with a majority they are expected to be able to pass everything in their manifesto. Obviously, the same would apply to a Labour majority.

Oreo

The whole HS2 is a mess Whitewavemark2 in my opinion.
I’d rather it hadn’t been thought up at all, but since it has I think it should carry on going ahead and all the legs of it completed.It was supposed to be part of the levelling up for the North, so it’s a slap in their face if it isn’t done.

I agree Oreo. We’ve spent about 100 billion on HS2 already, and apparently it will cost about another 8 billion to complete, presumably to Birmingham. It would be better if it had never been started and we’d spent that 100 billion on other things, but it’s been done and would be a terrible waste of money if it wasn’t continued now. Maybe the last leg to Manchester could be completed in the future.

Iam64

We disagree Bodach about the use of false apologies

It was not a false apology its a polite way of saying I disagree with what you saidI agree with what Freya5 said about Starmer. He keeps changing his mind you don't know what he wants. He got a lot of freebies as leader same as when DPP bringing in rich donors selling Labour to highest bidder. He wanted a second job whilst in Corbyns shadow cabinet Corbyn put a stop to that. We need another Labour leader don't think Starmer is good enough.

Grant Shapps is laying the ground -