Any Gnetters at the Rejoin march today in London

Thank goodness they decided not to take their dogs with them.

Even with a group of Yorkshire terriers it could have been mayhem!

Callistemon21

MayBee70

From what I’ve heard The Guardian said it was 3,000 people but those on the march said it felt like much more.

I think more than one group of protesters met (not by choice).

This is a tongue-in-cheek report:
www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-happened-when-the-bully-xl-protesters-met-the-rejoiners/

I did like this description of agressive dog owners

The Bully XL crowd, on the other hand, were frankly terrifying, and exactly the type you’d expect would enjoy the cultivation and company of super aggressive hell hounds. They were overwhelmingly male and, let’s try not be rude, somewhat unrefined. (The day before, in Wolverhampton, one of these canine fans was savaged when asking of a fellow walking weapon enthusiast ‘shouldn’t you put that on a lead?’)

MayBee70

From what I’ve heard The Guardian said it was 3,000 people but those on the march said it felt like much more.

I think more than one group of protesters met (not by choice).

This is a tongue-in-cheek report:
www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-happened-when-the-bully-xl-protesters-met-the-rejoiners/

Only at football matches and big concerts, fancythat!
But that would be ticket only.

From what I’ve heard The Guardian said it was 3,000 people but those on the march said it felt like much more.

Dickens

fancythat

Quite apart from any comments made on this thread, surely it is possible to accurately measure how many people are on marches? All marches?
Any march at all?
It really cannot be beyond humankind to be able to do that?

Maybe I am missing something?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12879582

I don't think it's easy to be entirely accurate.

Interesting link. Thanks.
I am more seeing now how it is quite tricky.
And when it cant even decided how many people per sqaure metre or something, then..
The difference between even 3.5 or 4 is a matter of 15% or something.

Never having been on any march, I thought people could go through a turnstile or something, or pick up a ticket somewhere.
I suppose they could, but life doesnt really work like that.

MerylStreep

^even if it’s in free fall^
If the pound is in in free fall then the other 9 members of the G10 must be up the creek without a paddle

Not in free fall although it’s not great, currently although it has recovered somewhat from the Truss debacle one wrong move could see it slump, that would add to inflation.

MayBee70

Callistemon21

fancythat

Quite apart from any comments made on this thread, surely it is possible to accurately measure how many people are on marches? All marches?
Any march at all?
It really cannot be beyond humankind to be able to do that?

Maybe I am missing something?

No, it seems no-one on the thread went to the march to be able to provide an accurate number.

I can ask the people I know who did go on the march for a guesstimate if you want to know.

All in all, it doesnt sound like a very large number. So thanks anyway.

even if it’s in free fall
If the pound is in in free fall then the other 9 members of the G10 must be up the creek without a paddle

Katie59

“Why should freedom of movement be a sticking point? “

Seriously Maisie if you think Freedom of Movement is not going to be contentious you are on a different planet.

It’s not an issue for me, but loosing control of our borders is going to be a major issue in any rejoin campaign

'Freedom of movement" and 'control of our borders' are not the same issue. They were conflated for the Leave campaign to trade on xenophobia. I have to say it worked brilliantly,

CoolCoco's comment is pertinent..

Have we got control of our borders now???

Just to make my point clear when Bénédicte Paviot of France24 says "tens of thousands" attended the march, then his colleague Hervé Amoric at the same organisation reports in French "hundreds, or a couple of thousand", then clearly there is a big discrepancy..... unless something was lost in the translation given.

“Why should freedom of movement be a sticking point? “

Seriously Maisie if you think Freedom of Movement is not going to be contentious you are on a different planet.

It’s not an issue for me, but loosing control of our borders is going to be a major issue in any rejoin campaign

oreo thousands of migrants were sent back pre 2016, and thousands more could have been sent back under the EU treaty but for the inertia of our government, now that figure is zero thanks to Brexit. The refugees and smugglers know that, which is why their numbers have increased considerably. Take back control of our borders seems to have disappeared from the soundbites.

'Tens of thousands' would indicate at least 20,000 which clearly there wasn't. Why do some outlets feel the need to gild the lily so extensively?

MayBee70

Callistemon21

fancythat

Quite apart from any comments made on this thread, surely it is possible to accurately measure how many people are on marches? All marches?
Any march at all?
It really cannot be beyond humankind to be able to do that?

Maybe I am missing something?

No, it seems no-one on the thread went to the march to be able to provide an accurate number.

I can ask the people I know who did go on the march for a guesstimate if you want to know.

Well, reports in the press varied from hundreds to about three thousand but someone thread mentioned, I think, tens of thousands by a Frenh reporter.

I would imagine about three thousand is most accurate? There is a way of estimating, I've forgotten what the method is called.

Callistemon21

fancythat

Quite apart from any comments made on this thread, surely it is possible to accurately measure how many people are on marches? All marches?
Any march at all?
It really cannot be beyond humankind to be able to do that?

Maybe I am missing something?

No, it seems no-one on the thread went to the march to be able to provide an accurate number.

I can ask the people I know who did go on the march for a guesstimate if you want to know.

fancythat

Quite apart from any comments made on this thread, surely it is possible to accurately measure how many people are on marches? All marches?
Any march at all?
It really cannot be beyond humankind to be able to do that?

Maybe I am missing something?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12879582

I don't think it's easy to be entirely accurate.

fancythat

Quite apart from any comments made on this thread, surely it is possible to accurately measure how many people are on marches? All marches?
Any march at all?
It really cannot be beyond humankind to be able to do that?

Maybe I am missing something?

No, it seems no-one on the thread went to the march to be able to provide an accurate number.

MaizieD

Callistemon21

It gets tiresome doesn't it - because we point out the downright lies, deceit and deviousness from those three (and others) designed to bamboozle the public - we are are treated to faux concern about our mental health! It's becoming a 'thing' now... "oh, poor you" you must be so unhappy!"

Rather disingenuous, it was nothing to do with just pointing out the lies told to us.
Maybee herself said she was still bitter and angry and posters just remarked that such emotions are not good for you.

Now you have turned it around by trying to say posters have faux concern about her supposed mental health.

No such thing - posters just pointed out that holding on to such anger and bitterness long-term may be bad for a person.

Of course, some people may thrive on such negative feelings to give them energy.

I think that posters should keep their amateur diagnoses to themselves.
At the very least they sound unbearably patronising.

I agree - especially those who say others are verging upon the insane.

That is quite shocking, to accuse those who know what went on behind the scenes (yes, we're watching State of Chaos too), voted remain but do not hang on to anger and bitterness for years because we feel it is destructive, to be verging on the insane.

Now, that is a truly vile comment.

Callistemon21

^It gets tiresome doesn't it - because we point out the downright lies, deceit and deviousness from those three (and others) designed to bamboozle the public - we are are treated to faux concern about our mental health! It's becoming a 'thing' now... "oh, poor you" you must be so unhappy!"^

Rather disingenuous, it was nothing to do with just pointing out the lies told to us.
Maybee herself said she was still bitter and angry and posters just remarked that such emotions are not good for you.

Now you have turned it around by trying to say posters have faux concern about her supposed mental health.

No such thing - posters just pointed out that holding on to such anger and bitterness long-term may be bad for a person.

Of course, some people may thrive on such negative feelings to give them energy.

I think that posters should keep their amateur diagnoses to themselves.
At the very least they sound unbearably patronising.

It gets tiresome doesn't it - because we point out the downright lies, deceit and deviousness from those three (and others) designed to bamboozle the public - we are are treated to faux concern about our mental health! It's becoming a 'thing' now... "oh, poor you" you must be so unhappy!"

Rather disingenuous, it was nothing to do with just pointing out the lies told to us.
Maybee herself said she was still bitter and angry and posters just remarked that such emotions are not good for you.

Now you have turned it around by trying to say posters have faux concern about her supposed mental health.

No such thing - posters just pointed out that holding on to such anger and bitterness long-term may be bad for a person.

Of course, some people may thrive on such negative feelings to give them energy.

Quite apart from any comments made on this thread, surely it is possible to accurately measure how many people are on marches? All marches?
Any march at all?
It really cannot be beyond humankind to be able to do that?

Maybe I am missing something?

Indeed Dickens.

Verging on the insane is having your head so firmly stuck in the sand and be in total denial- that is indeed madness.

MayBee70

maddyone

MayBee70

I’m bitter and angry because of the racism and xenophobia that was used by the leave campaign and I will never stop being bitter and angry about it.

Please Maybee try to not be bitter and angry because the only person that hurts with the anger is you.
The ship has sailed and we need to get on with the rest of our lives. And be happy.

I am happy. I just have no intention of forgetting about the lies and misinformation that were used (by people that have since been shown to be liars, corrupt and/or disreputable eg Johnson, Bannon, Cummings) to enable leave to win the referendum. I was brought up not to lie and, at my age I’m not prepared to accept that sort of behaviour in people that influence others.

It gets tiresome doesn't it - because we point out the downright lies, deceit and deviousness from those three (and others) designed to bamboozle the public - we are are treated to faux concern about our mental health! It's becoming a 'thing' now... "oh, poor you" you must be so unhappy!"

One can be quietly angry and determined to join with like-minded people to address the wrongs - about any matter or event, not just Brexit - and still enjoy the sunshine, a walk in the park, a good dinner with family and friends... who knew!

I am angry about the deception of Brexit and about the affect it has had on my business and my family's plans for the future, but I still manage to laugh, feel good and enjoy life, and don't need counselling. Brexit is not at the forefront of my mind - but I am never going to be persuaded that it was anything but a huge mistake, economically.

The biggest farce of all is that Johnson knew and still knows full well that our problems here in the UK were, largely, home-grown, and not due to our membership of the EU. As he said so, himself, as he wrote in the Daily Telegraph... "if Britain left the EU, we would have to recognise that most of our problems are not caused by Brussels." The full article is there for anyone to see if they cared to.

And, finally, none of my Remainer friends were in awe of the EU, or thought that everything in the institution was inspiring - we were and are well aware of the fault lines. We are not blind to the problems that free movement can cause, or how damaging it would be to our economy to join the Euro.

But Brexit was a confidence trick played on the public - as Mr Rees-Mogg knew when he, chidingly told people that its benefits might not be realised for 50 years - though where he plucked that number from I've no idea!