Any Gnetters at the Rejoin march today in London

MaizieD

Migration Watch according to Migration Watch:

Migration Watch UK is an independent and non-political body established in October 2001. Our purposes are to; monitor migration flows to and from the UK, provide to the press and public the most accurate, available information, in a comprehensible form, provide balanced comment, identify policy options for consideration by government.

Migration Watch according to Wikipedia:

^Migration Watch UK is a British think-tank and campaign group which argues for lower immigration into the United Kingdom. [10] [11] [12] Founded in 2001, the group believes that international migration places undue demand on limited resources and that the current level of immigration is not sustainable

I'd prefer the University of Oxford Migration Observatory. It has less of a bias.

Maybee's Lawyer's figures appear to be wrong but they are still high prior to Bexit.

According to government figures since 2005.

In 2005 there were 28,409 'returns'. Rising to a peak of 46,544 in 2013. Numbers declined to 19,772 in 2019 and have fallen sharply to 9,508 in 2021 (the last available figure).

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/deportation-and-voluntary-departure-from-the-uk/

So, big drop since Brexit...

Thanks Maisie. Just did some Googling and a Guardian article from 2021 said the we were no longer part of the Dublin agreement and did not, due to Brexit, have a deal in place to return people to EU countries. ( still can’t cut and paste some things). He definitely said 60,000 because we both heard it but didn’t hear what the timescale was.

Why do those who find the subject "boring" join a thread which, by the very nature of its title, is bound to cover the subject?

Fleurpepper

StacyAnna

Europe has been hugely strengthened by Brexit- and it is clear that the UK is in a massively bad way. I know you can't, or won't see it - and we will have to agree to disagree

We will have to agree to disagree with you, because *you don’t live here*

Totally irrelevant- as totally dependent on UK pensions in Sterling- and with ACs, GCs, family and friends very much affected too.

I'm sorry your family has been so badly affected by Brexit.

I have family members who were worried at first about their jobs because some funding came from the EU but, so far, their fears were unfounded and they are busier than ever.

MerylStreep

^their fury cleared me up no end^
But you will never know the joy that a mass of us felt on that glorious morning. The rabbit in the headlights look on David Dimblebys face was something to behold.
As for none of us engaging in the argument: *it’s boring*

Iam so glad you enjoyed it. But we all know that the price was not worth paying, just to see DD's face.

Most have realised now what a huge mistake it was, and we are all severely affected, whether we voted for it or not, whether we have joined the 62%, or the don't knows, or the very few who still think it was a great idea. Our GCs of course, are the ones who will be most affected, and yes, I do care. And I/we are seriously affected by it too, even if we don't live in UK- in fact, even more so because we don't. Returning was always our plan once we had done the job we came here to do (look after my elderly parents' - Brexit and this Government now make this a very bad prospect, sadly. I have said it before, and I know you don't believe me, and that is your prerogative, but I have loved the UK I lived in, for 40 years, and gave it my all- same as OH- since I was a teenager until I retired early at same time as oH:

Which is why indeed Aveline, the subject will come back again and again- whether your head is stuck in the sand or in huge denial. It certainly is NOT boring.

What a gorgeous day it is.

their fury cleared me up no end
But you will never know the joy that a mass of us felt on that glorious morning. The rabbit in the headlights look on David Dimblebys face was something to behold.
As for none of us engaging in the argument: it’s boring

Migration Watch according to Migration Watch:

Migration Watch UK is an independent and non-political body established in October 2001. Our purposes are to; monitor migration flows to and from the UK, provide to the press and public the most accurate, available information, in a comprehensible form, provide balanced comment, identify policy options for consideration by government.

Migration Watch according to Wikipedia:

^Migration Watch UK is a British think-tank and campaign group which argues for lower immigration into the United Kingdom. [10] [11] [12] Founded in 2001, the group believes that international migration places undue demand on limited resources and that the current level of immigration is not sustainable

I'd prefer the University of Oxford Migration Observatory. It has less of a bias.

Maybee's Lawyer's figures appear to be wrong but they are still high prior to Bexit.

According to government figures since 2005.

In 2005 there were 28,409 'returns'. Rising to a peak of 46,544 in 2013. Numbers declined to 19,772 in 2019 and have fallen sharply to 9,508 in 2021 (the last available figure).

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/deportation-and-voluntary-departure-from-the-uk/

So, big drop since Brexit...

You're right Oreo. Same old whine over and over. Not sure why the state of other European countries hasn't impinged. Ah well. There's always next month's anti Brexit thread to look forward to!

StacyAnna

^Europe has been hugely strengthened by Brexit- and it is clear that the UK is in a massively bad way. I know you can't, or won't see it - and we will have to agree to disagree^

We will have to agree to disagree with you, because *you don’t live here*

Totally irrelevant- as totally dependent on UK pensions in Sterling- and with ACs, GCs, family and friends very much affected too.

There seems to be an anti Brexit thread started by the same poster roughly once a month😄
The same old sentiments trotted out.
The OP is not aware that other EU countries aren’t doing all that well at the moment and dwells on dubious opinions about the state of things here in the UK.If you need serious treatment then the NHS is here for you tho it’s not as good as it was for lesser things.It’s not dirty or litter filled where I am either.I can’t begin to imagine why the OP is so determined to say that things are bad here.

Europe has been hugely strengthened by Brexit- and it is clear that the UK is in a massively bad way. I know you can't, or won't see it - and we will have to agree to disagree

We will have to agree to disagree with you, because you don’t live here

MayBee70

The was a lawyer on tv just now who said that we used to send 60,000 illegal migrants back to other countries each year but now it’s 3,000 because someone forgot to negotiate the return to other countries deal that had been in place prior to Brexit. Apologies if I’ve got the facts wrong but I just caught the last part of the interview on Sky News just now. Why aren’t things like this publicised more?

This won’t be right.
Have a look at migration watch which tells you all about it.
We used to send some back to other EU countries but nothing like those figures.And in return we accepted numbers here from other EU countries.
None of our problems are down to somebody ‘forgetting’ to negotiate something.

Fleurpepper

The will of the people is that 62% now want to rejoin, and most of the rest are 'don't knows' - only a tiny percentage now think Brexit was a good idea. The will of the people is that many who voted for it have now died, and large numbers who had not vote, do have one now.

Europe has been hugely strengthened by Brexit- and it is clear that the UK is in a massively bad way. I know you can't, or won't see it - and we will have to agree to disagree.

and it’s clear that the U.K. is in a massively bad way

Not the U.K. that I and my family and friends live in.

The entire world is in a state of flux, wars, climate, the way technology and AI is being implemented in the workplace.

It takes time for changes to settle, I have posted repeatedly that I was on the fence regarding remaining in the EU, at the 11th hour I voted to leave in the polling booth.

I am not against working closer with the EU however I do not view the EU through rose coloured spectacles. It is not omnipotent, it has its faults as does any other organisation.

Rosie51

Fleurpepper Europe has been hugely strengthened by Brexit

I voted remain and wish we'd never left, but in what way has Europe been strengthened by Brexit? You're saying Brexit was the best thing for the rest of Europe?

The 62% that now want to rejoin, do they not want to know the conditions for rejoining, or are they willing to accept absolutely any conditions the rest of the members wish to enforce?

No Rosie- Europe would be much better still with the UK- it was in everyone's interest to stick together.

The EU has learnt a massive lot from witnessing what happens to a member when it leaves and becomes isolated, in 100s, 1000s of ways.

Who are this mysterious 62% ?

Fleurpepper Europe has been hugely strengthened by Brexit

I voted remain and wish we'd never left, but in what way has Europe been strengthened by Brexit? You're saying Brexit was the best thing for the rest of Europe?

The 62% that now want to rejoin, do they not want to know the conditions for rejoining, or are they willing to accept absolutely any conditions the rest of the members wish to enforce?

The will of the people is that 62% now want to rejoin, and most of the rest are 'don't knows' - only a tiny percentage now think Brexit was a good idea. The will of the people is that many who voted for it have now died, and large numbers who had not vote, do have one now.

Europe has been hugely strengthened by Brexit- and it is clear that the UK is in a massively bad way. I know you can't, or won't see it - and we will have to agree to disagree.

Democracy means the will of the people. Life has moved on. Other challenges have arisen. Europe is in a bad way.

We’ve just gone backwards.

Moved on to what? Denial? Head in sand?

Democracy means that you move on to improve and change things.

The was a lawyer on tv just now who said that we used to send 60,000 illegal migrants back to other countries each year but now it’s 3,000 because someone forgot to negotiate the return to other countries deal that had been in place prior to Brexit. Apologies if I’ve got the facts wrong but I just caught the last part of the interview on Sky News just now. Why aren’t things like this publicised more?

Have just moved on as has been said repeatedly on here

Aveline

Clue in the title of the reference

And that, combined with the relatively small number at the protest march, rather proves the point that most people, however they voted, have moved on in seven years and are hoping for some rapprochement in future.

Yes indeed. And?

Clue in the title of the reference

From the European, a great article- here is the end

'Time was that there were Brexit supporters who could argue, mistakenly in my view, that Brexit would benefit Britain and increase opportunities. They had their reasons and were willing to defend them.

Seven years on, it seems those Brexit supporters have gone very quiet indeed, leaving just an angry rump shouting, alternately, “but we still have freedom of movement!” and “freedom of movement was only ever for the rich – try Australia instead!”

Their fury cheered me up no end. Imagine what will happen when they realise, or their children do, that neither is true!'