Labour - party of building?

Iam64

I took old duvets to our local dog shelter yesterday. Inevitably, it’s full but one dog was to be returned to its owners. This young couple are living in a tent on a local park. They’d left the dog with friends believing he’d be safer in a house. The dog got out and returned to its previous home. He was taken to the shelter, and staff located his owners. He’s now living with them in their tent.

This is England

Oh Iam.

I'm afraid the princeling, and the pseudo aristocracy they desire to create, are more interested in ruling than in governing. Most of them don't even do a full day's work as debating no longer counts so short days are the norm.

Primrose53

MaizieD

Did you know that comprehensives teach languages, too?

There were good reasons for getting rid of grammar schools and comprehensives can do just as well.

A bit of up to date research. Aug 2023

www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/education/news/grammar-school-system-does-not-boost-grades-and-could-be-detrimental-to-some--/

My experience was comparing grammars with sec mods.
At sec mod they usually offered one language. At grammar school we were offered French, Spanish, Latin and, for a few, Russian.

Did you know that in the few areas where Grammar schools continued, there was a huge demand for houses and schooling?

Why is the history of education relevant to a thread on housing. It's not even particularly relevant to education.

When my father was at school (leaving aged 16 in 1934) one whole subject was Electricity. Why not suggest we go back to this. After all it got his elder brother into Cambridge on a scholarship and the same was expected for Dad, had his father not died that year. It was obviously successful. So, Electricity here we come!

I took old duvets to our local dog shelter yesterday. Inevitably, it’s full but one dog was to be returned to its owners. This young couple are living in a tent on a local park. They’d left the dog with friends believing he’d be safer in a house. The dog got out and returned to its previous home. He was taken to the shelter, and staff located his owners. He’s now living with them in their tent.

This is England

Casdon

I don’t know where you got your information from Grantanow.
‘Rayner says Labour will deliver “biggest boost to affordable housing for a generation” Labour's Deputy Leader Angela Rayner said the next Labour Government will deliver the biggest boost to affordable housing for a generation – with social and council housing at the heart of Labour's secure homes plan.’
From the Labour Party website.

It doesn't mean a thing unless it's clearly in their manifesto and they spell out how much they are going to spend on building how many Council houses per year. Otherwise they are just doing the same as the Tories and puffing affordable homes funded by the developers.

Ilovecheese

Dividing children by their IQ scores at age eleven was ridiculous. We now know a lot more about brain development and should have stopped that nonsense in all authorities by now.

Many children were scared stiff by exams, even the brightest. I remember when taking O Levels one of my friends was no nervous she was physically sick and couldn't do the exam.

When I was studying for professional exams my colleague lost several pounds in weight. I didn't lose any. She was anxious and I wasn't.

I did very well in the 11 plus and was able to go to the county girls school, rather than the local grammar. We were interviewed by the headmistress in her comfortable study with a pekinese curled up on a stool. Had my parents and I not met with her approval I would not have been offered a place at that school. Good reasons for not wanting grammar schools to come back.

Dismissing the majority of children at age 11 was wrong on every level. There were fewer grammar school places for girls. Sone towns had fewer places than others, so whether you got in to grammar school wasn’t entirely down to academic ability.

growstuff

Primrose53

MaizieD just looked at the link and that’s not relevant to the time I was talking about. This is about current selective grammar schools. I was talking about when Labour decided grammar schools would be no more and opened Comprehensives instead.

Which time were you talking about?

When she were a lass, I think..

From the tone of her original post it seems that she thinks children could only 'achieve' at a grammar school.

There's some very odd 'history' being spouted about the introduction of comprehensives, too...

Primrose53

MaizieD just looked at the link and that’s not relevant to the time I was talking about. This is about current selective grammar schools. I was talking about when Labour decided grammar schools would be no more and opened Comprehensives instead.

Which time were you talking about?

Primrose53

Casdon

Primrose53

MaizieD

Did you know that comprehensives teach languages, too?

There were good reasons for getting rid of grammar schools and comprehensives can do just as well.

A bit of up to date research. Aug 2023

www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/education/news/grammar-school-system-does-not-boost-grades-and-could-be-detrimental-to-some--/

My experience was comparing grammars with sec mods.
At sec mod they usually offered one language. At grammar school we were offered French, Spanish, Latin and, for a few, Russian.

Did you know that in the few areas where Grammar schools continued, there was a huge demand for houses and schooling?

If grammar schools were all you’re saying Primrose53 can you explain why the Tories haven’t reinvented them in the last 13 years, and why more were closed under Margaret Thatcher when she was education secretary in Edward Heath’s government than by anybody else?

Errr, because Tony Blair made it law for grammar schools to be banned.

Err - there are still grammar schools now that were operational then, so that isn’t the reason. New governments can change laws too of course.

Gee whizz I totally forgot all about Our Tony …..of course, who else? Thanks Primrose 53 so glad you don’t have memory issues!

Casdon

Primrose53

MaizieD

Did you know that comprehensives teach languages, too?

There were good reasons for getting rid of grammar schools and comprehensives can do just as well.

A bit of up to date research. Aug 2023

www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/education/news/grammar-school-system-does-not-boost-grades-and-could-be-detrimental-to-some--/

My experience was comparing grammars with sec mods.
At sec mod they usually offered one language. At grammar school we were offered French, Spanish, Latin and, for a few, Russian.

Did you know that in the few areas where Grammar schools continued, there was a huge demand for houses and schooling?

If grammar schools were all you’re saying Primrose53 can you explain why the Tories haven’t reinvented them in the last 13 years, and why more were closed under Margaret Thatcher when she was education secretary in Edward Heath’s government than by anybody else?

Errr, because Tony Blair made it law for grammar schools to be banned.

It was very trendy to go comprehensive at one point …..

MaizieD just looked at the link and that’s not relevant to the time I was talking about. This is about current selective grammar schools. I was talking about when Labour decided grammar schools would be no more and opened Comprehensives instead.

Primrose53

MaizieD

Did you know that comprehensives teach languages, too?

There were good reasons for getting rid of grammar schools and comprehensives can do just as well.

A bit of up to date research. Aug 2023

www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/education/news/grammar-school-system-does-not-boost-grades-and-could-be-detrimental-to-some--/

My experience was comparing grammars with sec mods.
At sec mod they usually offered one language. At grammar school we were offered French, Spanish, Latin and, for a few, Russian.

Did you know that in the few areas where Grammar schools continued, there was a huge demand for houses and schooling?

If grammar schools were all you’re saying Primrose53 can you explain why the Tories haven’t reinvented them in the last 13 years, and why more were closed under Margaret Thatcher when she was education secretary in Edward Heath’s government than by anybody else?

MaizieD

I am sure you are aware that any bright kids who failed the 11+ were given the chance to transfer to grammar school at 12 and 13+.

Not much data in the paper? MaizieD
I guess you don’t approve of State run high performing sixth form colleges?
Or do you?

MaizieD

Did you know that comprehensives teach languages, too?

There were good reasons for getting rid of grammar schools and comprehensives can do just as well.

A bit of up to date research. Aug 2023

www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/education/news/grammar-school-system-does-not-boost-grades-and-could-be-detrimental-to-some--/

My experience was comparing grammars with sec mods.
At sec mod they usually offered one language. At grammar school we were offered French, Spanish, Latin and, for a few, Russian.

Did you know that in the few areas where Grammar schools continued, there was a huge demand for houses and schooling?

Anecdote is not data, ronib

MaizieD this research paper looks a bit thin in substance?
I know of situations where high achieving students were to an extent bullied for working too hard at comprehensive schools as it wasn’t cool. One student has just transferred to a high achieving sixth form college - they do still exist - and has had to adjust to higher expectations from other students and teachers.
For bright students who strive to get into Oxbridge, there is a requirement to work very hard at A level and I wonder if it’s a fair playing field if students are handicapped by not swimming in the same pond? Just a thought 💭

Dividing children by their IQ scores at age eleven was ridiculous. We now know a lot more about brain development and should have stopped that nonsense in all authorities by now.

Did you know that comprehensives teach languages, too?

There were good reasons for getting rid of grammar schools and comprehensives can do just as well.

A bit of up to date research. Aug 2023

www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/education/news/grammar-school-system-does-not-boost-grades-and-could-be-detrimental-to-some--/

Blossoming

I would really like to believe all the current Labour Party advertisements, but I can’t. I’m from a working class family and was born in a very deprived area. The allocation of a decent sized council house near a good primary school when I was very young gave me and my siblings a shove up the ladder. I have voted Labour all my life but I really can’t trust them anymore.

Same here and got to grammar school which was fantastic and the what did Labour do? Did away with most grammar schools!

Grammar schools offered a fantastic opportunity for fairly bright kids to learn languages as well as many other subjects. Most of the kids at my school, including myself came from council houses or tied cottages and had parents who either worked at unskilled jobs or on the land.

When you read memoirs of famous people many say grammar schools were the making of them.

It was madness to close them.

Well said, Dinahmo

I find this 'taxpayers money' nonsense deeply ironic since most of it was issued by the government in the first place...

I do think that it would be better to call it 'public money'.

People often mention that the LP will be spending "taxpayers' money". Isn't that why we pay tax? To provide the various services that are needed and in one form or another will be used by everyone.

Being a baby boomer I have lived through decades when govt loans were being paid back. I can't say that it made any difference to my standard of living. So I think that if we have a new Labour govt (I live in hope) that they should spend their way out of the long period of austerity that we are now in.

MaizieD

Does 'biggest boost' = lots and lots more money, Casdon?

What I hope it means is that they will set a target for a mixed range of solutions, publicise, and monitor to make sure it actually happens MaizieD.