Labour - party of building?

Anecdote is not data, ronib

MaizieD

Did you know that comprehensives teach languages, too?

There were good reasons for getting rid of grammar schools and comprehensives can do just as well.

A bit of up to date research. Aug 2023

www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/education/news/grammar-school-system-does-not-boost-grades-and-could-be-detrimental-to-some--/

My experience was comparing grammars with sec mods.
At sec mod they usually offered one language. At grammar school we were offered French, Spanish, Latin and, for a few, Russian.

Did you know that in the few areas where Grammar schools continued, there was a huge demand for houses and schooling?

Not much data in the paper? MaizieD
I guess you don’t approve of State run high performing sixth form colleges?
Or do you?

MaizieD

I am sure you are aware that any bright kids who failed the 11+ were given the chance to transfer to grammar school at 12 and 13+.

Primrose53

MaizieD

Did you know that comprehensives teach languages, too?

There were good reasons for getting rid of grammar schools and comprehensives can do just as well.

A bit of up to date research. Aug 2023

www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/education/news/grammar-school-system-does-not-boost-grades-and-could-be-detrimental-to-some--/

My experience was comparing grammars with sec mods.
At sec mod they usually offered one language. At grammar school we were offered French, Spanish, Latin and, for a few, Russian.

Did you know that in the few areas where Grammar schools continued, there was a huge demand for houses and schooling?

If grammar schools were all you’re saying Primrose53 can you explain why the Tories haven’t reinvented them in the last 13 years, and why more were closed under Margaret Thatcher when she was education secretary in Edward Heath’s government than by anybody else?

MaizieD just looked at the link and that’s not relevant to the time I was talking about. This is about current selective grammar schools. I was talking about when Labour decided grammar schools would be no more and opened Comprehensives instead.

It was very trendy to go comprehensive at one point …..

Casdon

Primrose53

MaizieD

Did you know that comprehensives teach languages, too?

There were good reasons for getting rid of grammar schools and comprehensives can do just as well.

A bit of up to date research. Aug 2023

www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/education/news/grammar-school-system-does-not-boost-grades-and-could-be-detrimental-to-some--/

My experience was comparing grammars with sec mods.
At sec mod they usually offered one language. At grammar school we were offered French, Spanish, Latin and, for a few, Russian.

Did you know that in the few areas where Grammar schools continued, there was a huge demand for houses and schooling?

If grammar schools were all you’re saying Primrose53 can you explain why the Tories haven’t reinvented them in the last 13 years, and why more were closed under Margaret Thatcher when she was education secretary in Edward Heath’s government than by anybody else?

Errr, because Tony Blair made it law for grammar schools to be banned.

Gee whizz I totally forgot all about Our Tony …..of course, who else? Thanks Primrose 53 so glad you don’t have memory issues!

Primrose53

Casdon

Primrose53

MaizieD

Did you know that comprehensives teach languages, too?

There were good reasons for getting rid of grammar schools and comprehensives can do just as well.

A bit of up to date research. Aug 2023

www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/education/news/grammar-school-system-does-not-boost-grades-and-could-be-detrimental-to-some--/

My experience was comparing grammars with sec mods.
At sec mod they usually offered one language. At grammar school we were offered French, Spanish, Latin and, for a few, Russian.

Did you know that in the few areas where Grammar schools continued, there was a huge demand for houses and schooling?

If grammar schools were all you’re saying Primrose53 can you explain why the Tories haven’t reinvented them in the last 13 years, and why more were closed under Margaret Thatcher when she was education secretary in Edward Heath’s government than by anybody else?

Errr, because Tony Blair made it law for grammar schools to be banned.

Err - there are still grammar schools now that were operational then, so that isn’t the reason. New governments can change laws too of course.

Primrose53

MaizieD just looked at the link and that’s not relevant to the time I was talking about. This is about current selective grammar schools. I was talking about when Labour decided grammar schools would be no more and opened Comprehensives instead.

Which time were you talking about?

growstuff

Primrose53

MaizieD just looked at the link and that’s not relevant to the time I was talking about. This is about current selective grammar schools. I was talking about when Labour decided grammar schools would be no more and opened Comprehensives instead.

Which time were you talking about?

When she were a lass, I think..

From the tone of her original post it seems that she thinks children could only 'achieve' at a grammar school.

There's some very odd 'history' being spouted about the introduction of comprehensives, too...

Dismissing the majority of children at age 11 was wrong on every level. There were fewer grammar school places for girls. Sone towns had fewer places than others, so whether you got in to grammar school wasn’t entirely down to academic ability.

Ilovecheese

Dividing children by their IQ scores at age eleven was ridiculous. We now know a lot more about brain development and should have stopped that nonsense in all authorities by now.

Many children were scared stiff by exams, even the brightest. I remember when taking O Levels one of my friends was no nervous she was physically sick and couldn't do the exam.

When I was studying for professional exams my colleague lost several pounds in weight. I didn't lose any. She was anxious and I wasn't.

I did very well in the 11 plus and was able to go to the county girls school, rather than the local grammar. We were interviewed by the headmistress in her comfortable study with a pekinese curled up on a stool. Had my parents and I not met with her approval I would not have been offered a place at that school. Good reasons for not wanting grammar schools to come back.

Casdon

I don’t know where you got your information from Grantanow.
‘Rayner says Labour will deliver “biggest boost to affordable housing for a generation” Labour's Deputy Leader Angela Rayner said the next Labour Government will deliver the biggest boost to affordable housing for a generation – with social and council housing at the heart of Labour's secure homes plan.’
From the Labour Party website.

It doesn't mean a thing unless it's clearly in their manifesto and they spell out how much they are going to spend on building how many Council houses per year. Otherwise they are just doing the same as the Tories and puffing affordable homes funded by the developers.

I took old duvets to our local dog shelter yesterday. Inevitably, it’s full but one dog was to be returned to its owners. This young couple are living in a tent on a local park. They’d left the dog with friends believing he’d be safer in a house. The dog got out and returned to its previous home. He was taken to the shelter, and staff located his owners. He’s now living with them in their tent.

This is England

Primrose53

MaizieD

Did you know that comprehensives teach languages, too?

There were good reasons for getting rid of grammar schools and comprehensives can do just as well.

A bit of up to date research. Aug 2023

www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/education/news/grammar-school-system-does-not-boost-grades-and-could-be-detrimental-to-some--/

My experience was comparing grammars with sec mods.
At sec mod they usually offered one language. At grammar school we were offered French, Spanish, Latin and, for a few, Russian.

Did you know that in the few areas where Grammar schools continued, there was a huge demand for houses and schooling?

Why is the history of education relevant to a thread on housing. It's not even particularly relevant to education.

When my father was at school (leaving aged 16 in 1934) one whole subject was Electricity. Why not suggest we go back to this. After all it got his elder brother into Cambridge on a scholarship and the same was expected for Dad, had his father not died that year. It was obviously successful. So, Electricity here we come!

Iam64

I took old duvets to our local dog shelter yesterday. Inevitably, it’s full but one dog was to be returned to its owners. This young couple are living in a tent on a local park. They’d left the dog with friends believing he’d be safer in a house. The dog got out and returned to its previous home. He was taken to the shelter, and staff located his owners. He’s now living with them in their tent.

This is England

Oh Iam.

I'm afraid the princeling, and the pseudo aristocracy they desire to create, are more interested in ruling than in governing. Most of them don't even do a full day's work as debating no longer counts so short days are the norm.

How anyone can defend the past 13 years of Tory rule having watched the BBC documentary on The Housing Market is beyond me. It's simply a merry-go-round leading to massive developer profits, rising house prices, unaffordable homes, substandard building, high rents for dilapidated houses, lack of regulation which led to Grenfell, housing associations being forced to sell at a discount, very little social housing building and it never seems to end.

Grenfell Tower was built in 1974.

Germanshepherdsmum

Grenfell Tower was built in 1974.

So what exactly? Are you blaming Edward Heath’s government for building something which later turned out to be unsafe?

It was not built ‘within the past 13 years of Tory rule’. I could take issue with other comments made by Grantanow but life’s too short.

Germanshepherdsmum

It was not built ‘within the past 13 years of Tory rule’. I could take issue with other comments made by Grantanow but life’s too short.

You’re right, and successive governments failed to act on fire safety warnings in tower blocks, the current government isn’t solely to blame for what happened at Grenfell.
I do agree with Grantanow on the management of social housing since 2010 though, we are now in crisis.

Germanshepherdsmum

Grenfell Tower was built in 1974.

External cladding made of aluminium composite material (ACM), installed when the 1970s tower block was refurbished between 2012 and 2016, caught light during a kitchen fire and rapidly spread. The building, which contained 129 flats over 20 floors, became a blazing inferno killing 72 people.

Source: Big Issue

The inquiry found that the cladding subsequently added did not comply with building regulations. That is not the fault of the government.