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Starmer's speech

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sarahcyn Tue 10-Oct-23 18:15:50

Pretty good speech I thought - and he got over the stupid protester attack at the beginning very creditably - but there were some glaring omissions to my eyes - namely:
Immigration
Ukraine
Defence
Was there anything else you'd have liked him to mention or at least to firm up a policy on?
(My own pet concern, animal welfare improvements, is being tossed aside by both parties - now that the Tories have betrayed their promises to end live exports and phase out cages in farms, Labour won't be a***d. )

LizzieDrip Fri 13-Oct-23 08:56:09

*So far, what I have heard them say, is that it will take a decade to get the country back on track.

On the other hand, just as we have seen Trump proved, as the judge ruled, to have engaged in years of massive fraud, it looks like there will be historical proportions of fraud revealed by the Covid enquiry and also possibly by the HS2 enquiry. All this, just as with Trump, has the outcome of undermining democracy and make serving the country extremely difficult.

Obviously, this doesn't worry the current Conservatives as they do not see service to the county as adjunct to power. The only thing they, and those with a similar sense of entitlement, believe power is for, is their own advancement. Sunak is using a scorched earth and lies policy. That became apparent at their conference. If he ever had a moral compass it has now disappeared in his attempt to cleave to power.*

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Galaxy Fri 13-Oct-23 07:54:34

What does that mean cultural background creates a need that makes each person susceptible to a particular type of conspiracy theory?
Are you saying northerners or the red wall are susceptible to 15 min city conspiracy theories, those in Wales are susceptible to the flat earth one. What do you mean.

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 13-Oct-23 07:47:26

There is no proof fancythat. The need for swaths of the public to believe these conspiracy theories used to be seen as an immature solution to an actual issue. Currently it seems reaseach is showing that it is more influenced by culture than a less than adult approach. Cultural background creates a need that makes each person susceptible to particular type of conspiracy theory.

Sadly this often leaves us with a "right question, wrong answer" situation where progress can't be made. But, of course, that is the aim of those spreading such theories; the disruption of democracy. Just think back to the influence of Dominic Cummings, known as the disruptor's disruptor. Many on thst side of politics have followed in his footsteps.

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 13-Oct-23 07:28:29

Where have you seen Starmer or his party say they have "all the answers"? Eirlys Could you evidence this please?

So far, what I have heard them say, is that it will take a decade to get the country back on track.

On the other hand, just as we have seen Trump proved, as the judge ruled, to have engaged in years of massive fraud, it looks like there will be historical proportions of fraud revealed by the Covid enquiry and also possibly by the HS2 enquiry. All this, just as with Trump, has the outcome of undermining democracy and make serving the country extremely difficult.

Obviously, this doesn't worry the current Conservatives as they do not see service to the county as adjunct to power. The only thing they, and those with a similar sense of entitlement, believe power is for, is their own advancement. Sunak is using a scorched earth and lies policy. That became apparent at their conference. If he ever had a moral compass it has now disappeared in his attempt to cleave to power.

Casdon Thu 12-Oct-23 21:43:56

I see an unfounded case of persecution complex.

fancythat Thu 12-Oct-23 20:48:08

I see potential.

growstuff Thu 12-Oct-23 20:44:07

fancythat

*We’ve seen no evidence that councils implementing the 15 minute cities concept are attempting to place restrictions on how often residents can go to the shops.*

The word that comes to mind is...yet.

They would hardly tell people that at the beginning would they?!

Not that I necessarily think going to the shops would be restricted. At least not for a few years.

For goodness' sake! Do you see conspiracies round every corner?

Iam64 Thu 12-Oct-23 20:23:39

Not libel

LizzieDrip Thu 12-Oct-23 20:17:27

TBH after Johnson and Truss, I’d happily take ‘boring’. A PM is supposed to be a trustworthy leader, not a clown, buffoon or comedy act!

fancythat Thu 12-Oct-23 20:07:51

varian

Johnson was a crook - utterly corrupt and dishonest.

libel i would have thought

Casdon Thu 12-Oct-23 20:06:10

Germanshepherdsmum

An interesting piece about Wales’s fiscal deficit:

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/national-institute-economic-review/article/devolution-independence-and-wales-fiscal-deficit/083D8AB2F8AD351EDB8FD1D9773DEECC

It is interesting Germanshepherdsmum, I particularly noticed this section.
‘Where the fiscal imbalance is explained by higher spending in Wales, it is mainly attributable to the larger population share qualifying for social protection schemes—state benefit payments that tend to have uniform pan-UK eligibility criteria. Despite devolved and local government accounting for a majority of public sector expenditure in Wales, most inter-regional fiscal transfers occur implicitly through the tax-and-benefit system.’.
The post industrial legacy in Wales is massive. The Welsh government isn’t profligate, spending money on regeneration of post industrial areas is a very important way to restore pride and sustainability to decimated communities.

varian Thu 12-Oct-23 19:49:03

Johnson was a crook - utterly corrupt and dishonest.

Iam64 Thu 12-Oct-23 19:40:11

Johnson wasn’t boring but he wasn’t reliable, genuine or honest either

Callistemon21 Thu 12-Oct-23 19:31:48

Primrose53

Starmer always reminds me of the very boring Priest in Father Ted who, as soon as he starts talking, sends people to sleep. 🤣

If you think Starmer is boring, how would you describe Corbyn, Primrose53 ? 😁

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 12-Oct-23 19:17:26

An interesting piece about Wales’s fiscal deficit:

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/national-institute-economic-review/article/devolution-independence-and-wales-fiscal-deficit/083D8AB2F8AD351EDB8FD1D9773DEECC

choughdancer Thu 12-Oct-23 18:20:56

I hope that the next government also makes the requirement for the minimum numbers of affordable housing harder for developers to get out of.
neweconomics.org/2022/02/how-private-developers-get-out-of-building-affordable-housing

Casdon Thu 12-Oct-23 18:20:21

Eirlys

I am always amazed how the party not in power has all the answers. The same applies to ex Prime Ministers.

Labour have proved that regeneration of former industrial sites, including the massive project at the former Ebbw Vale steelworks, as well at the Llanwern redevelopment can bring huge benefits to local populations. They may not be in power UK wide, but housing is devolved, and this is one of the success stories. Funding for site decontamination for these schemes was awarded directly by Welsh Government to the developers to make the schemes viable.
I think it’s easy to forget that regeneration schemes have a human benefit even if they are more expensive than developments on greenfield sites - it’s simply the right thing to do.

fancythat Thu 12-Oct-23 18:06:37

We’ve seen no evidence that councils implementing the 15 minute cities concept are attempting to place restrictions on how often residents can go to the shops.

The word that comes to mind is...yet.

They would hardly tell people that at the beginning would they?!

Not that I necessarily think going to the shops would be restricted. At least not for a few years.

fancythat Thu 12-Oct-23 18:04:14

The problem is that many of them are so heavily contaminated that the cost of decontamination to the standard required for residential development is such that they have a negative land value

Quite

Eirlys Thu 12-Oct-23 18:02:52

I am always amazed how the party not in power has all the answers. The same applies to ex Prime Ministers.

Galaxy Thu 12-Oct-23 18:00:17

And everyone in father Ted was amazing grin

Casdon Thu 12-Oct-23 17:55:06

Primrose53

Starmer always reminds me of the very boring Priest in Father Ted who, as soon as he starts talking, sends people to sleep. 🤣

Better get your pyjamas bought now. A bulk buy could be in order.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 12-Oct-23 17:54:25

It has long been the policy that brownfield sites should be developed first. What Starmer says about this is nothing new. The problem is that many of them are so heavily contaminated that the cost of decontamination to the standard required for residential development is such that they have a negative land value. That would need to be addressed via a decontamination fund which developers could draw on at no cost to themselves - and some means of compensating the landowner. It sounds good but without significant government investment it won’t happen. I have seen a good number of such sites financially appraised and discarded.

Primrose53 Thu 12-Oct-23 17:49:08

youtu.be/_EfuWGSqjdc?si=K_KJx48wdZmb56Tk

DaisyAnneReturns Thu 12-Oct-23 17:46:34

Iam64

Thanks DaisyAnneReturns. ‘Reminded of rallies by Adolf Hitler’ How can this statement not link the dictator and his followers with Mr Starmer and the people at the conference

Back to the speech, I’ll be delighted if brownsites in our deprived northern town are developed, with social housing and facilities developed.

Hopefully Iam. I think one of the good things about the Combined Council Mayors is that they seem to be swapping ideas which should help to come up with novel ideas to provide the housing we need.