Covid enquiry

If they are open with the Public enquiry wouldn’t that prejudice any possible criminal case, if there was any dodgy dealing.

I understand that they are, Katie59

MaizieD

Of the various government figures due to be giving evidence to the Inquiry next month, so far, Sunak can't find his whatsapp messages, Simon Case, Cabinet secretary has just gone on indefinite sick leave and Matt Hancock is demanding immunity from prosecution...

I wonder what ruse Johnson will come up with...😂

Are the polititians of the day legally obliged to co-operate with the enquiry.

Did anyone listen to Patrick Grant ( sewing bee) on Desert Island discs.
His experience dealing with the government on PPE sums up what a f%#£&*g debacle it was.

He switched his business to making PPE like many did.
He knew there are thousands of home machinists in the country. He and other companies could deliver the pieces to people at home to make up.
The departments response was that it couldn’t work because everyone would have to have a health and safety check
He told them they had lost their mind.

Of the various government figures due to be giving evidence to the Inquiry next month, so far, Sunak can't find his whatsapp messages, Simon Case, Cabinet secretary has just gone on indefinite sick leave and Matt Hancock is demanding immunity from prosecution...

I wonder what ruse Johnson will come up with...😂

All those percentages, I was in a room with a several hundreds of people for days on end lots of other staff too, half the people weren’t wearing the mask properly either, either I was susceptible or I wasn’t. After about a year I did test positive but I’d already had 2 doses of vaccine by then.

If we’re able to operate more or less normally so could have most other businesses, the restrictions should have been, isolate if you are vulnerable.

Obviously there were no emergency supplies of PPE for hospitals or care homes that was a major failing.

I believe the cost of movement restrictions and test and trace was money wasted and I hope that it’s not repeated in any future pandemic.

I see a minister has resigned from the covid fraud team. He says he can no longer put up with the incompetence etc of Sunak.

The Lords clapped him after making his resignation speech.

Oldbat1

For those who dont follow the enquiry in detail the BBC do a brief Podcast which lasts roughly 10mins “The Covid Enquiry”. You can hear for yourself the Scientists speaking about Dr Death.

There will be plenty of time to catch up with the evidence so far (transcripts and videos available on the Inquiry website) as there will be no more public hearings until 30th October.

Johnson and Sunak are due to give evidence in early November. I wonder if they will have managed to recover their lost Whatsapps by then. 🤔

For those who dont follow the enquiry in detail the BBC do a brief Podcast which lasts roughly 10mins “The Covid Enquiry”. You can hear for yourself the Scientists speaking about Dr Death.

To some extent it depends whom you stand close to, but there's also an aerosol effect, which means that the air becomes more saturated with virus particles.

AskAlice

I don't usually comment on these threads, but I think your maths may be a bit out, growstuff. If i in 20 people are affected and you are in a room with 100 people. that means that 5 people out of the 100 will be affected. That means that 5% of people are affected, not a 20% chance of you being affected. It depends on who you are in contact with in that room, surely?

Sorry, you're right. I changed it from 1 in 20, but was in a hurry and didn't check properly. Silly me! The point is, though, that if you're in a less crowded environment, you are at less risk.

Statistically you could well be correct, AskAlice but as covid spreads by means of inhaling aerosols, which spread widely and persist for a long time in the air, if no-one in the room is masked and the ventilation is poor, the actual chance of being infected is very high. Probably can't be predicted by statistics...

Just to complicate things...

I don't usually comment on these threads, but I think your maths may be a bit out, growstuff. If i in 20 people are affected and you are in a room with 100 people. that means that 5 people out of the 100 will be affected. That means that 5% of people are affected, not a 20% chance of you being affected. It depends on who you are in contact with in that room, surely?

rosie1959

But if they find this out MayBee what happens then.
Many sadly lost their lives but could it ever be proved without any doubt at all this was due to government actions or just the virus doing what it did best.
Are other countries spending months doing this.

Not months is our case years!! Other countries have spent months. And every country as far as I am aware in Europe had an enquiry as to how it was handled.

But if they find this out MayBee what happens then.
Many sadly lost their lives but could it ever be proved without any doubt at all this was due to government actions or just the virus doing what it did best.
Are other countries spending months doing this.

rosie1959

Despite the length and time of this enquiry will anything actually come from it that will have a positive effect on any event in the future
Hopefully they will look back and see what worked and what didn’t as some of the ‘rules’ were just plain daft

When thousands of people have died, possibly needlessly and due to governmental incompetence, do you not think there needs to be an enquiry then?

Despite the length and time of this enquiry will anything actually come from it that will have a positive effect on any event in the future
Hopefully they will look back and see what worked and what didn’t as some of the ‘rules’ were just plain daft

Of course movement restrictions made a difference. If 1 in 20 people is infected and you're in a room of 100 people, there's a 20% chance somebody is infected. If you're in a room with 10 people, there's a 50% chance nobody is infected.

Katie59

I was one of those that worked all through Covid, the only protection I had was a plastic screen, most customers wore masks but I dont believe they provided much if any protection. There were a few staff with preexisting conditions that took time off, even they were back after 3 months, most of us tested positive eventually and took a week off.

The vaccination programme undoubtedly saved live but I don’t believe Test and Trace or movement restrictions made the slightest difference. The virus was everywhere we all got exposed to it quickly, we were either vulnerable or we were not.

With an airborne virus all masks provide some degree of protection - some more than others.

Why don't you believe that the masks the 'customers' wore provided much, if any, protection, Katie59?

^ The virus was everywhere^

Have you watched or read any of the evidence to the covid inquiry? It does confirm what many people were saying at the time, that steps to contain the virus should have been implemented earlier. Then it might not have been so widespread...

I was one of those that worked all through Covid, the only protection I had was a plastic screen, most customers wore masks but I dont believe they provided much if any protection. There were a few staff with preexisting conditions that took time off, even they were back after 3 months, most of us tested positive eventually and took a week off.

The vaccination programme undoubtedly saved live but I don’t believe Test and Trace or movement restrictions made the slightest difference. The virus was everywhere we all got exposed to it quickly, we were either vulnerable or we were not.

Yep

How you respond to the fact that government is comprised of humans doing their best in a horrible situation.

If that were a fact the situation would be quite different.

Was the PM who wrote 'BOLLOCKS' on a paper about Long Covid ', or said 'let the bodies pile high', doing his best'?

Were the ministers who were insisting that their friends and donors, with no experience in the field and completely new 'companies', be given preferential treatment when tendering for PPE supplies,supplies which mostly turned out to be useless, when established suppliers were begging to supply quality PPE and being completely ignored, 'doing their best'?

This has been known about for a long, long time.

I suggest you look at the evidence, Aveline, rather than try to excuse an incompetent and corrupt government.

Any government is comprised of humans who need to listen to people who know what they're talking about.

How do you reply to the charge that there's more to the situation than civil servants doctors and scientists? How you respond to the fact that government is comprised of humans doing their best in a horrible situation. Picking over the bones in retrospect may provide you with some satisfaction of course. I do hope you continue to enjoy the findings as they are bound to fit your perspectives.