Previous Tory voters

Maizie

That is one perspective Maisie.

There is no such thing as the 'democratic centre', DAR.

Answer what GSM? Luckygirl had her answer and has returned to the subject.

Whatever you I think I 'owe' you or anyone else, your overweening sense of entitlement is just that and you are certainly not "entitled" to anything from me.

If, by now, you cannot recognise posts from those on the far-left, far-right, democratic centre or outwith democracy, I doubt anyone can help you.

Thanks for the suggestions. 👍

I’m sure you can answer now that you’re back.
Not silliness - if someone asks a question they’re entitled to an answer. Common courtesy.

I haven't refused to answer GSM. I have been out most of the day,while you have felt the need to continue with this sillyness.

If that is how you want to spend your time, who am I to stop you.

Most former Tory voters I know have been horrified by the absence of integrity shown by the government - firstly in voting in Boris Johnson on the promise of cabinet posts when they knew he was not competent or honest enough for the role; and then in giving us Liz Truss (heaven help us!). I suspect that our sitting Tory MP he appalled by the absence of integrity too.

Such a pitty that this thread has veered from the original subject, Fancythat stated her reasons for no longer favouring the Tory party.
I assume that the majority of Gransnetters would have liked have heard the views of other posters on why they are falling out with the Tories and how they might consider voting in the future.

I think Lucky just wanted to know where these extreme left wing posts are. I don’t know why DAR refuses to back up her statement by answering the question. I haven’t been following the Israel-Palestine closely so have no idea,

Well ……. Can we discuss another thread on a thread? Lucky, I may be wrong but the ‘extreme left’ posts regularly on any thread where Starmer can be criticised. Isreal-Palestine?

Is there such a thread DAR? If so, which one is it please?

As would I.

Luckygirl3

DaisyAnneReturns

Having read the posts from the far-left on another thread and the far-right on here I can only say "a plague on both your houses".

Please direct me to the far left thread - I would be interested to read it.

I would also be interested to read the thread with far-left posts.

You believe I lie? You doubt my professional qualifications?

Lucky asked you a straightforward question. She did not attempt to mislead. You deliberately misrepresented what she said. Why don’t you answer her instead of derailing the thread with insults?

Are you really a lawer GSM? This is when I begin to doubt it.

Do you answer attempts to mislead?

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I think you need to borrow a nearby 12-year-old or similar, Luckygirl, to read my post and explain what it says. Nowhere does it say anything about a far left thread.

Deliberate misinterpretation for their own ends does, however, seem to be a characteristic of the extremes of politics.

DaisyAnneReturns

Having read the posts from the far-left on another thread and the far-right on here I can only say "a plague on both your houses".

Please direct me to the far left thread - I would be interested to read it.

I watched a programme with Simon Reeves last night (a few years old I think) He was traveling through Turkey and visited refugee camps near the border with Syria. At that time Turkey had housed 3 million refugees and their camps were more like small towns, with proper housing, running water and sewage and electricity. Each camp had two super markets and doctors with a small hospital and schools. They even had a school for adults to learn Turkish.

Current estimates for Syrian refugees are between 3.4 and 4 million. President Erdogan has an agenda and many of the refugees find work in Turkey and many would like to return to Syria. Nevertheless, Turkey is an example to all.

Brits complain about the few thousands that are taken in and who are kept in poor conditions, in a sort of limbo. The UK has an aging population and needs additional people, if for no other reason than to work in care homes and hospitals.

So, to answer NanKate's question there will no doubt be some doctors and nurses amongst those refugees.

Having read the posts from the far-left on another thread and the far-right on here I can only say "a plague on both your houses".

NanKate

I have always voted Conservative but realise Labour will win at the next Election. Whenever I ask questions of the Socialists on GN I rarely get an answer. So I will try again.

How will Sir Keir and co deal with the thousands of boat people who arrive on our shores?

If Labour build new towns, which has been mentioned,where will they find doctors, nurses, dentists ?

If Sir Keir thinks 1% of women have a penis, where will he stand on Women’s Rights ?

I want to know some hard facts of what Labour will do in power, not just criticism of the conservatives.

You could start by reading what was said by the key speakers at the Labour conference NanKate, and the Labour Party website that will answer the majority of your very broad questions. The information is available.

I have always voted Conservative but realise Labour will win at the next Election. Whenever I ask questions of the Socialists on GN I rarely get an answer. So I will try again.

How will Sir Keir and co deal with the thousands of boat people who arrive on our shores?

If Labour build new towns, which has been mentioned,where will they find doctors, nurses, dentists ?

If Sir Keir thinks 1% of women have a penis, where will he stand on Women’s Rights ?

I want to know some hard facts of what Labour will do in power, not just criticism of the conservatives.

MaizieD

fancythat

winterwhite

OP, please tell us where you would "quite happily make many cuts in the current tory budget".

In a GE it's common to judge the outgoing government on its record and opposition parties on their manifestos. I don't think it's enough to snuffle through opposition policies picking holes. What is about the tory party's record that impresses people so much?

Apart from what I wrote in the op

I would cut 10% of spending across all categories
apart from education, local government, policing and possibly defenece.

Then start again from there.

Why would you do that when every area you propose to cut funding from is falling apart because of underfunding?

This is where I get confused. It seems to me cuts to spending would be bad, taxes as income need to go up. The NHS is on it's knees, etc etc..

And, to me, a far worse idea is jiggering with IHT - who wants to pay that? Leave already taxed (in so many ways) money alone.

Germanshepherdsmum

M0nica

I agree GSM but other posters on this thread have been suggesting much higher rates.

That’s probably because they haven’t paid tax at 45% or 50% and want to hear the pips squeak. I have and I don’t. Many people paying higher rate taxes employ others - it’s no picnic.

Actually, GSM, I believe I suggested highest at just 50%.

Nobody suggested 'take money from your pocket' rates, that I've read.