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fancythat Fri 20-Oct-23 11:12:20

This is what I wrote when someone said what they thought the reason was why people who had previously voted Conservative, did not do so this time.
"It's simply the effect of Tory policy of not spending on education, health or welfare"

No it is not.
It is quite far from that.

I do struggle to quantify quite what it is wrong.
Their action or inaction on immigration, net zero, policing and defence can be added to that list too.

I wouldnt count myself as wanting less spent on welfare maybe, but other previous tory voters may be in that category.

Also, many want less spent on overseas aid.
On pronoun and the like stuff. etc.

I cant speak for all previous tory voters, but as for myself, I was saying the other day to someone, I could quite happily make many cuts in the current tory budget. On mnay different things.

Not sure where I stand on tax, personally.

What are your reasons?

Luckygirl3 Tue 31-Oct-23 22:03:45

DaisyAnneReturns

Having read the posts from the far-left on another thread and the far-right on here I can only say "a plague on both your houses".

Please direct me to the far left thread - I would be interested to read it.

DaisyAnneReturns Wed 01-Nov-23 07:37:03

I think you need to borrow a nearby 12-year-old or similar, Luckygirl, to read my post and explain what it says. Nowhere does it say anything about a far left thread.

Deliberate misinterpretation for their own ends does, however, seem to be a characteristic of the extremes of politics.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 01-Nov-23 09:04:29

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DaisyAnneReturns Wed 01-Nov-23 09:50:01

Are you really a lawer GSM? This is when I begin to doubt it.

Do you answer attempts to mislead?

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 01-Nov-23 10:06:49

You believe I lie? You doubt my professional qualifications?

Lucky asked you a straightforward question. She did not attempt to mislead. You deliberately misrepresented what she said. Why don’t you answer her instead of derailing the thread with insults?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 01-Nov-23 10:10:15

Luckygirl3

DaisyAnneReturns

Having read the posts from the far-left on another thread and the far-right on here I can only say "a plague on both your houses".

Please direct me to the far left thread - I would be interested to read it.

I would also be interested to read the thread with far-left posts.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 01-Nov-23 10:13:53

As would I.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 01-Nov-23 10:24:52

Is there such a thread DAR? If so, which one is it please?

Iam64 Wed 01-Nov-23 11:01:01

Well ……. Can we discuss another thread on a thread? Lucky, I may be wrong but the ‘extreme left’ posts regularly on any thread where Starmer can be criticised. Isreal-Palestine?

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 01-Nov-23 11:11:03

I think Lucky just wanted to know where these extreme left wing posts are. I don’t know why DAR refuses to back up her statement by answering the question. I haven’t been following the Israel-Palestine closely so have no idea,

gangy5 Wed 01-Nov-23 16:51:14

Such a pitty that this thread has veered from the original subject, Fancythat stated her reasons for no longer favouring the Tory party.
I assume that the majority of Gransnetters would have liked have heard the views of other posters on why they are falling out with the Tories and how they might consider voting in the future.

Luckygirl3 Wed 01-Nov-23 18:58:55

Most former Tory voters I know have been horrified by the absence of integrity shown by the government - firstly in voting in Boris Johnson on the promise of cabinet posts when they knew he was not competent or honest enough for the role; and then in giving us Liz Truss (heaven help us!). I suspect that our sitting Tory MP he appalled by the absence of integrity too.

DaisyAnneReturns Wed 01-Nov-23 20:03:33

I haven't refused to answer GSM. I have been out most of the day,while you have felt the need to continue with this sillyness.

If that is how you want to spend your time, who am I to stop you.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 01-Nov-23 20:07:15

I’m sure you can answer now that you’re back.
Not silliness - if someone asks a question they’re entitled to an answer. Common courtesy.

NanKate Wed 01-Nov-23 21:04:02

Thanks for the suggestions. 👍

DaisyAnneReturns Wed 01-Nov-23 22:02:44

Answer what GSM? Luckygirl had her answer and has returned to the subject.

Whatever you I think I 'owe' you or anyone else, your overweening sense of entitlement is just that and you are certainly not "entitled" to anything from me.

If, by now, you cannot recognise posts from those on the far-left, far-right, democratic centre or outwith democracy, I doubt anyone can help you.

MaizieD Wed 01-Nov-23 23:07:52

There is no such thing as the 'democratic centre', DAR.

DaisyAnneReturns Wed 01-Nov-23 23:12:14

That is one perspective Maisie.

DaisyAnneReturns Wed 01-Nov-23 23:13:10

Maizie

GrannyRose15 Thu 02-Nov-23 02:11:01

gangy5

Such a pitty that this thread has veered from the original subject, Fancythat stated her reasons for no longer favouring the Tory party.
I assume that the majority of Gransnetters would have liked have heard the views of other posters on why they are falling out with the Tories and how they might consider voting in the future.

Exactly. It would have been informative and might even have influenced the way people chose to vote.

GrannyRose15 Thu 02-Nov-23 02:16:46

Luckygirl3

Most former Tory voters I know have been horrified by the absence of integrity shown by the government - firstly in voting in Boris Johnson on the promise of cabinet posts when they knew he was not competent or honest enough for the role; and then in giving us Liz Truss (heaven help us!). I suspect that our sitting Tory MP he appalled by the absence of integrity too.

So good of you to let us know what everyone thinks Luckygirl. Saves so much time when one person speaks for all. On the other hand I would have much preferred to have read some reasoned posts from individuals than hearing the popular tropes yet again

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 02-Nov-23 09:05:11

DaisyAnneReturns

Answer what GSM? Luckygirl had her answer and has returned to the subject.

Whatever you I think I 'owe' you or anyone else, your overweening sense of entitlement is just that and you are certainly not "entitled" to anything from me.

If, by now, you cannot recognise posts from those on the far-left, far-right, democratic centre or outwith democracy, I doubt anyone can help you.

I am entitled to courtesy from you, as are we all. It seems to be in short supply.

Luckygirl3 Thu 02-Nov-23 09:34:57

GrannyRose15

Luckygirl3

Most former Tory voters I know have been horrified by the absence of integrity shown by the government - firstly in voting in Boris Johnson on the promise of cabinet posts when they knew he was not competent or honest enough for the role; and then in giving us Liz Truss (heaven help us!). I suspect that our sitting Tory MP he appalled by the absence of integrity too.

So good of you to let us know what everyone thinks Luckygirl. Saves so much time when one person speaks for all. On the other hand I would have much preferred to have read some reasoned posts from individuals than hearing the popular tropes yet again

Funny thing the English language.

"Most former Tory voters I know have been horrified" - I guess at a stretch that could mean "I know that most Tory voters have been horrified" but it does of course refer to Tory voters of my acquaintance.

MaizieD Thu 02-Nov-23 09:37:50

GrannyRose15

Luckygirl3

Most former Tory voters I know have been horrified by the absence of integrity shown by the government - firstly in voting in Boris Johnson on the promise of cabinet posts when they knew he was not competent or honest enough for the role; and then in giving us Liz Truss (heaven help us!). I suspect that our sitting Tory MP he appalled by the absence of integrity too.

So good of you to let us know what everyone thinks Luckygirl. Saves so much time when one person speaks for all. On the other hand I would have much preferred to have read some reasoned posts from individuals than hearing the popular tropes yet again

I don't thin that reporting what tory voters Luckygirl knows think is telling us what 'everyone thinks.'

I think that we'd all be interested in reading some reasoned posts from tory voters, but they're not exactly forthcoming, are they?

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 02-Nov-23 09:43:08

Probably because we don’t want to be insulted.