Starmer’s Dilemma Over Palestinian Situation

Glorianny

Callistemon21

Glorianny

It is amazing how no matter what the subject the Starmer supporters insist on resurrecting Jeremy Corbyn.
He is no longer a Labour MP, never mind leader.
Criticism of the present leader is nothing to do with Corbyn.
It is to do with Labour principles which Starmer doesn't seem to support.
Are. the Labour councillors who have resigned far-left?
Are the 4 shadow cabinet ministers who are considering resigning far left?
Are the 100 Labour MPs asking for a ceasefire far left?
Are Sadiq Khan and Andy Burnham far left?

Grany mentions him often as some kind of super-hero, that's the only reason his name arises.

It isn't Grany who brings him up on this thread. It's GG13 and you.
My question remains are the people I mentioned far-left?

Not this thread.
But how would I know if the subject of JC had not been brought up many times?

Yes I brought up Jeremy Corbyn on this thread, but it is brought up by Grany so regularly as a stick to beat Sir Starmer.

Callistemon21

Glorianny

It is amazing how no matter what the subject the Starmer supporters insist on resurrecting Jeremy Corbyn.
He is no longer a Labour MP, never mind leader.
Criticism of the present leader is nothing to do with Corbyn.
It is to do with Labour principles which Starmer doesn't seem to support.
Are. the Labour councillors who have resigned far-left?
Are the 4 shadow cabinet ministers who are considering resigning far left?
Are the 100 Labour MPs asking for a ceasefire far left?
Are Sadiq Khan and Andy Burnham far left?

Grany mentions him often as some kind of super-hero, that's the only reason his name arises.

It isn't Grany who brings him up on this thread. It's GG13 and you.
My question remains are the people I mentioned far-left?

It is indeed a difficult situation for Keir Starmer. Apparently about 25% of Labour MPs have called for a ceasefire which has put Starmer under a lot of pressure.

NotSpaghetti

Anniel there are lots of problems with the piece in the link.
I don't want to go into them all here but felt the need to just say so.
It is not "even handed" in my opinion.

Can I flag this again as a balance - on that declares it's bias too.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=roL0HcOIhYY

Anniel there are lots of problems with the piece in the link.
I don't want to go into them all here but felt the need to just say so.
It is not "even handed" in my opinion.

No, Grany does not.

As KS likely next PM he has to be scrutinised

By you Grany? What are you qualifications for doing this? Who is editing your post to check your facts? Who checks your posts for deformation?

Isn't it the case that you are just repeating the extreme views of some very far-left Socialists who use the internet to spread their propaganda and are attempting to ferm5ent a coup within the so far, democratic Labour Party?

Glorianny

It is amazing how no matter what the subject the Starmer supporters insist on resurrecting Jeremy Corbyn.
He is no longer a Labour MP, never mind leader.
Criticism of the present leader is nothing to do with Corbyn.
It is to do with Labour principles which Starmer doesn't seem to support.
Are. the Labour councillors who have resigned far-left?
Are the 4 shadow cabinet ministers who are considering resigning far left?
Are the 100 Labour MPs asking for a ceasefire far left?
Are Sadiq Khan and Andy Burnham far left?

Grany mentions him often as some kind of super-hero, that's the only reason his name arises.

It is amazing how no matter what the subject the Starmer supporters insist on resurrecting Jeremy Corbyn.
He is no longer a Labour MP, never mind leader.
Criticism of the present leader is nothing to do with Corbyn.
It is to do with Labour principles which Starmer doesn't seem to support.
Are. the Labour councillors who have resigned far-left?
Are the 4 shadow cabinet ministers who are considering resigning far left?
Are the 100 Labour MPs asking for a ceasefire far left?
Are Sadiq Khan and Andy Burnham far left?

Netanyahu saying in a statement in 2019 we have to give money to Hamas we have to bolster Hamas to stop Palestinians two state this has been our strategy He does not want peace the Palestinians do. All along he does not want peace between the two.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=5BRnTrnZtmg&t=245s&pp=ygUKVG9yeSBvbiBRVA%3D%3D

He may be out of touch with the far left of the Labour Party, as he isn’t far left himself , hallelujah for that btw

I agree - he seemed electable but those filled with hatred for his more reasonable and mainstream political views will try to ensure he is never elected, unfortunately.

Grany Your beloved Jeremy was never going to be electable.

Glorianny

Freya5

Grany

Starmer and several labour MPs are members of Friends of Israel and the Israel lobby meaning that they get money have holidays to back Israel are more interested in supporting Israel another country than that their own constituents.

I think Netanyahu the Israel government are practicing ongoing apartheid and occupation against the Palestine people. And now genocide Amnesty International reports.

7,000 Palestinians have been killed so far including children and thousands wounded. This is collective punishment war crimes.

I don’t think Netanyahu is interested in releasing hostages he want to kill all Palestinians. How can the hostages be released if the bombardment continues relentless.

I think both main political parties have blood on their hands.
RS and KS

In a YouGov poll over 70% want a ceasefire Thousand around the world including Jews have been on protests for a ceasefire.

The PM and Starmer are at odds with what the majority want.
I don’t think people will forget Starmer’s position of this humanitarian crises at next GE

Please stop the occupation Free Palestinians peace talks two state solution

Hamas will never want a two state solution. It has been declined by them for ever. Their only aim, get rid of the Jewish people, take over Israel. Terrorists who started this. Many Palestinians live peacefully in Israel. Would you like free movement of suicide bombers from Palestine again.
Jewish people feeling unsafe in their home city of London, people supporting hamas calling for and terrorising London business. Look what Blair and others have allowed to enter our country.

It is ludicrous! Hamas taking over Israel! One of the most heavily armed and militarised countries in the world being "taken over' by a small terrorist organisation. It simply won't happen.
Palestinians in Israel are second class citizens, they live heavily restricted lives. Amnesty says Israel is an apartheid state.

It's a dream, why do they keep attacking Israel. Maybe propaganda, look what they've achieved in our our home city, and in Russia hunting Jewish people at the airport. What did they think Israel would do, clap the rockets, clap the hostages, the murdered babies.
Perhaps if Hamas or Arafat had accepted two states years ago , heh.

Freya5

Grany

Starmer and several labour MPs are members of Friends of Israel and the Israel lobby meaning that they get money have holidays to back Israel are more interested in supporting Israel another country than that their own constituents.

I think Netanyahu the Israel government are practicing ongoing apartheid and occupation against the Palestine people. And now genocide Amnesty International reports.

7,000 Palestinians have been killed so far including children and thousands wounded. This is collective punishment war crimes.

I don’t think Netanyahu is interested in releasing hostages he want to kill all Palestinians. How can the hostages be released if the bombardment continues relentless.

I think both main political parties have blood on their hands.
RS and KS

In a YouGov poll over 70% want a ceasefire Thousand around the world including Jews have been on protests for a ceasefire.

The PM and Starmer are at odds with what the majority want.
I don’t think people will forget Starmer’s position of this humanitarian crises at next GE

Please stop the occupation Free Palestinians peace talks two state solution

Hamas will never want a two state solution. It has been declined by them for ever. Their only aim, get rid of the Jewish people, take over Israel. Terrorists who started this. Many Palestinians live peacefully in Israel. Would you like free movement of suicide bombers from Palestine again.
Jewish people feeling unsafe in their home city of London, people supporting hamas calling for and terrorising London business. Look what Blair and others have allowed to enter our country.

It is ludicrous! Hamas taking over Israel! One of the most heavily armed and militarised countries in the world being "taken over' by a small terrorist organisation. It simply won't happen.
Palestinians in Israel are second class citizens, they live heavily restricted lives. Amnesty says Israel is an apartheid state.

Grany

Starmer and several labour MPs are members of Friends of Israel and the Israel lobby meaning that they get money have holidays to back Israel are more interested in supporting Israel another country than that their own constituents.

I think Netanyahu the Israel government are practicing ongoing apartheid and occupation against the Palestine people. And now genocide Amnesty International reports.

7,000 Palestinians have been killed so far including children and thousands wounded. This is collective punishment war crimes.

I don’t think Netanyahu is interested in releasing hostages he want to kill all Palestinians. How can the hostages be released if the bombardment continues relentless.

I think both main political parties have blood on their hands.
RS and KS

In a YouGov poll over 70% want a ceasefire Thousand around the world including Jews have been on protests for a ceasefire.

The PM and Starmer are at odds with what the majority want.
I don’t think people will forget Starmer’s position of this humanitarian crises at next GE

Please stop the occupation Free Palestinians peace talks two state solution

Hamas will never want a two state solution. It has been declined by them for ever. Their only aim, get rid of the Jewish people, take over Israel. Terrorists who started this. Many Palestinians live peacefully in Israel. Would you like free movement of suicide bombers from Palestine again.
Jewish people feeling unsafe in their home city of London, people supporting hamas calling for and terrorising London business. Look what Blair and others have allowed to enter our country.

Quokka

This article from the Guardian sums it up well

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/30/keir-starmer-labour-israel-gaza

Agree
Starmer is ignoring the grassroots.

I think Grany’s distaste of anything related to KS is probably clouded by her unlimited adulation towards Jeremy Corbyn

I could have also said Grany shoplifts courgettes from Tesco as that is based on similar evidence to the accusations made against Starmer.

She didn't repeat his statements she used his ravings about another subject just to be clear.

I think Grany needs to know that repeating someone else’s libellous statements, whether you know who they are or not, is libel. And that it’s wise to know what someone stands for before repeating what they say.

Libellous statements that should say.

You have made libellous about Starmer I am just following your lead.

Galaxy

Grany recently posted a link to support her beliefs which was by a man who has been imprisoned for threats to people in my local area. By the logic Grany is using I conclude that she supports the threatening of church members and local councillors. What I am saying is presumably libellous but that doesnt seem to matter.

What are you talking about Galaxy, I read what this man who you are referring to wrote, at the time I didn’t know anything about him. I posted what he said as it meant something. I said at the time next time I will check sources.

So don’t know why you are talking about someone I posted about a while back, didn’t know who he was but have learnt since.
Can’t understand why you wrote what you did.

This article from the Guardian sums it up well

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/30/keir-starmer-labour-israel-gaza

Starmer is running scared. He saw what happened to Corbyn when he questioned Zionists.

I have no respect for him any more.