Starmer’s Dilemma Over Palestinian Situation

Grany recently posted a link to support her beliefs which was by a man who has been imprisoned for threats to people in my local area. By the logic Grany is using I conclude that she supports the threatening of church members and local councillors. What I am saying is presumably libellous but that doesnt seem to matter.

Asa Winstanley

As KS likely next PM he has to be scrutinised. Both the Conservative MPs and Labour are members of Friends of Israel and the Israel Lobby. Israel influences British politics

Asa Winstanley new book Weaponising Antisemitism
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Labour’s new bankroller is Israel lobbyist, South African apartheid profiteer Gary Lubner

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“When Starmer employs a former officer for Israel's intelligence agency to "surveil social media about the party" in other words, spy on party members” You have to wonder.

A weapons firm at Labour Conference who supply arms to Israel
and Donors with Private Health care interests

So when KS becomes Labour PM provided he does not upset too many people, he will be on the side of the apartheid Israel, will continue supplying arms and not try for peace there.
And our NHS will not be safeguarded.

Many countries including those in the Middle East and Jews also have been protesting for a ceasefire

That’s all

A different angle on this this discussed if you click through to the blog.

The UN Security Council still cannot agree a position on the siege of Gaza, though there is general agreement on the need for a cessation of hostilities. The same is true in the UK. People are calling for a ceasefire. Some are doing so to all political leaders, so not only to Starmer. But what do they mean and why won't they talk about the consequences?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=roL0HcOIhYY

Glorianny We are where we are and can only go forwards.

He may be out of touch with the far left of the Labour Party, as he isn’t far left himself , hallelujah for that btw.Neither is he out of touch with the what?68 million who live here.
Even if he were, it’s his job as leader of his party to make the judgement that he thinks is the right one, just as it’s Sunaks job as PM to do the same.The UK shouldn’t decide things like that, it’s why we have government and politicians.
I would be worried if the court of popular opinion came out on top for serious matters.

The problem with Starmer and Israel has its roots long before this conflict. Amnesty International produced a report about the treatment of Palestinians which identified Israel as an Apartheid State. Apartheid, discrimination, inequality, whatever you want to label it, have always been things the Labour Party has opposed. Starmer refused to recognise the report. Why? He has consistently shown bias towards Israel.Why? Why would a left wing politician not criticise a right wing government that was mistreating people on the basis of their race?
The only thing this conflict has revealed is just how far Starmer is prepared to go, and just how out of touch he is with the Labour party and the British public.

No-one wants to see innocent Israelis slaughtered; no-one wants to see innocent Palestinians slaughtered. What is the answer? I wish I knew. It is so very sad.

Those who started this latest debacle hide behind innocent civilians.

Oreo

It’s no good making a gesture if it’s the wrong call to make.
A pause to get aid in is one thing, a ceasefire is another.
All that would do is allow hamas to take stock and dig in further and get more weapons in.

I fear you are correct

It’s no good making a gesture if it’s the wrong call to make.
A pause to get aid in is one thing, a ceasefire is another.
All that would do is allow hamas to take stock and dig in further and get more weapons in.

A gesture to all of us really how can there possibly be anything wrong with asking for peace.
I agree he has tried to make his position clear but I am not sure that it has cut through, because there was a delay before he clarified his position. That means, I think that he has to work harder at it now.

A gesture to who precisely?

Ilovecheese

I am not sure that "staring down" a group of people that he hopes to be representing as their Prime Minister in the future is quite the right way to go. I think he would be better to understand the concerns of people on both sides, I am sure that he did not mean to say that it was o.k. for Israel to break international law, but that was how it came out and I think he should now do his best to make his position clear.
I also think he should call for a ceasefire, as a gesture, even though Biden has not yet done so.

He has made his position clear.

I think both main political parties have blood on their hands.
RS and KS

Well, you think wrong

And much of what you're saying is libellous.

Grany

Starmer and several labour MPs are members of Friends of Israel and the Israel lobby meaning that they get money have holidays to back Israel are more interested in supporting Israel another country than that their own constituents.

I think Netanyahu the Israel government are practicing ongoing apartheid and occupation against the Palestine people. And now genocide Amnesty International reports.

7,000 Palestinians have been killed so far including children and thousands wounded. This is collective punishment war crimes.

I don’t think Netanyahu is interested in releasing hostages he want to kill all Palestinians. How can the hostages be released if the bombardment continues relentless.

I think both main political parties have blood on their hands.
RS and KS

In a YouGov poll over 70% want a ceasefire Thousand around the world including Jews have been on protests for a ceasefire.

The PM and Starmer are at odds with what the majority want.
I don’t think people will forget Starmer’s position of this humanitarian crises at next GE

Please stop the occupation Free Palestinians peace talks two state solution

Oh get real will you!

Grany, your anti Starmer, anti Israel position is well rehearsed and recognised.
I’m not=t quoting yiur first paragraph which is imo libellous at least

I posted previously, I gave a talk at our local Maccabi centre several years ago. I was asked by a friend to speak to a group of older, retired members of this Jewish community centre. My talk was to be about my working life. I enjoyed the audience participation and on conclusion, was presented with a drawing with my name on it, with the statement - a friend of Israel. So, does this mean I can’t hope for a peaceful solution in this terrible situation. That I can’t see the suffering of the Palestinian people as well as recognising the terrorist attacks by Hamas were intended to create exactly the reaction the current Israeli government is showing.

I’m also disgusted by Grany suggesting friends of Israel are financially rewarded. Trope?//

Thank you GSM.

I’m no supporter of Labour but what Grany says is libellous.
RS and KS don’t have blood on their hands Grany. It’s not in the power of either of them to bring about a ceasefire.

I am not sure that "staring down" a group of people that he hopes to be representing as their Prime Minister in the future is quite the right way to go. I think he would be better to understand the concerns of people on both sides, I am sure that he did not mean to say that it was o.k. for Israel to break international law, but that was how it came out and I think he should now do his best to make his position clear.
I also think he should call for a ceasefire, as a gesture, even though Biden has not yet done so.

I hope you are very sure of the accusations in your first sentences.

Starmer and several labour MPs are members of Friends of Israel and the Israel lobby meaning that they get money have holidays to back Israel are more interested in supporting Israel another country than that their own constituents.

I think Netanyahu the Israel government are practicing ongoing apartheid and occupation against the Palestine people. And now genocide Amnesty International reports.

7,000 Palestinians have been killed so far including children and thousands wounded. This is collective punishment war crimes.

I don’t think Netanyahu is interested in releasing hostages he want to kill all Palestinians. How can the hostages be released if the bombardment continues relentless.

I think both main political parties have blood on their hands.
RS and KS

In a YouGov poll over 70% want a ceasefire Thousand around the world including Jews have been on protests for a ceasefire.

The PM and Starmer are at odds with what the majority want.
I don’t think people will forget Starmer’s position of this humanitarian crises at next GE

Please stop the occupation Free Palestinians peace talks two state solution