Covid Inquiry

OK I will fess up we bought a karaoke machine 30 years ago, I am sure it’s in the darkest depths of the garage…

Dickens 🤣🤣

Urmstongran

gangy5

Yesterday's Testimony by Deputy Cabinet Secretary Helen MacNamara was really damning. It revealed the severe inefficiences within 10 Downing Street and spoke of the long term woeful workings of the civil service. I apologise for not including a link but it will be on iplayer as the BBC has been relaying it on the News Channel,
Gob smacking evidence - calmly delivered.

Ah yes. She’s the one who brought her karaoke machine to one of the parties. Hmm.

I think now they’re all just trying to cover their arses. ‘It wasn’t me guv’.

... I'm just sitting here imagining someone actually giving house room to a karaoke machine...

gangy5

Yesterday's Testimony by Deputy Cabinet Secretary Helen MacNamara was really damning. It revealed the severe inefficiences within 10 Downing Street and spoke of the long term woeful workings of the civil service. I apologise for not including a link but it will be on iplayer as the BBC has been relaying it on the News Channel,
Gob smacking evidence - calmly delivered.

Ah yes. She’s the one who brought her karaoke machine to one of the parties. Hmm.

I think now they’re all just trying to cover their arses. ‘It wasn’t me guv’.

There is an article by Carl Heneghan in Spectator, published online today for the Saturday print edition, in which he spells out what questions the inquiry should be asking but, in his opinion, isn't.

Well worth a read imo.

Just imagine that every evening when millions tuned in for the daily death figures and “next slide please” they told us what they were REALLY saying upstairs.

I didn’t know that Monica but what a ridiculous thing to say. As if he he could have personally overseen the treatment of each patient.
When I was in hospital with Covid in January 2021, I was in a position to observe the treatment of Covid patients myself. There was absolutely no one who was denied treatment of any kind in the hospital I was in. There was a young woman brought down from ICU and her bed placed opposite mine. She was profoundly disabled, unable to speak or eat, unable to move or do anything independently. That young woman was treated with utmost compassion and care by the staff and received all the same treatments that others were receiving. She even had the privilege of her family being allowed one visit, which no one else was allowed. Other Covid patients being treated in my room were dementia patients and very old patients, well over 80 years old. I was actually comparatively young at 67 years old at the time. These are facts as I saw them. I can’t speak for what happened in other hospitals or areas.

You can see why Hancock is asking for immunity.

And of course Hancock’s judgement is without equal.

Matt Hancock decided that if COVID ever reached the stage where the hospitals were being overwhelemed, he, and only he would decide which patients should be prioritised and which would have to wait or get no treatment.

Not the doctors, not what public opinion thought, just him, acting as if he was God!!!!!

I look forward to Johnson's appearance at the inquiry. Also, those of you on here who watch GB news; what do you think of his getting a job with them? Will it stop you watching it knowing he would have happily let you die during the pandemic? Or, as you are happy to watch and listen to people such as Farage, JRM, and other such unsavoury characters, does the addition of another one not bother you?

Back to covid inquiry though; I think there is a case for whatever the public service equivalent of Corporate Manslaughter is.

maddyone

It’s interesting that whenever assisted dying is mentioned on Gransnet, pretty much everyone is for it, so people do accept that some people do actually want to die.

But this has nothing to do with the covid inquiry, which is what this thread is about.

It’s interesting that whenever assisted dying is mentioned on Gransnet, pretty much everyone is for it, so people do accept that some people do actually want to die.

MayBee70

Am I right in thinking that this thread is now trying to justify the governments policy of letting people in care homes die of covid because they were old and probably wanted to die anyway?

No, I don’t think that’s what anyone is saying. They are saying that some very old/ill people do actually want to die because they’re tired of life and have had enough. That certainly doesn’t mean all old people, and in any case, it is as Dickens says, a separate issue from the Covid inquiry.

MayBee70

Am I right in thinking that this thread is now trying to justify the governments policy of letting people in care homes die of covid because they were old and probably wanted to die anyway?

That's the feeling I'm getting, MayBee and I think it is derailing the thread.

I'll just repeat what I said earlier. If I have to be a human sacrifice I'd rather it were my choice, not imposed on me by the government.

Covid Inquiry...personal tragedies, national disgrace, international embarrassment. Yes, I know there are terrible events happening just now around the globe, but these shocking disclosures will be noted.

I didn't get that feeling from the thread at all. There was concern early on that it was perhaps one sided. Now the other side are airing their views. Debate is good, so feel free to argue

MayBee70

Am I right in thinking that this thread is now trying to justify the governments policy of letting people in care homes die of covid because they were old and probably wanted to die anyway?

Seems that way

MayBee70

Am I right in thinking that this thread is now trying to justify the governments policy of letting people in care homes die of covid because they were old and probably wanted to die anyway?

Some MayBee, only some.

Germanshepherdsmum

It was not only a matter of ‘keeping businesses viable’, without furlough payments what would the employees have done?

I simply don't believe the main reason why they chose to support the workforce was for the sake of the workers. Neither Sunak - who is playing that card for all he is worth - nor Johnson or most of the cabinet members have that bone in their body.

If it walks like a duck, etc. In this government of the entitled they are much more likely to have been thinking if their own coffers than of working people. They may treat the workforce badly but they would stay short of killing it off.

Am I right in thinking that this thread is now trying to justify the governments policy of letting people in care homes die of covid because they were old and probably wanted to die anyway?

MerylStreep

Freya5
You’ve obviously never worked in care homes. If you had you would have heard many residents say they just want to go to sleep and not wake up, why? they are tired 😥

But this is a separate issue - isn't it?

Elderly and sick people in care homes - or indeed, stuck in a hospital bed - "blocking" it - who are being kept alive through various interventions when they'd prefer to just be left alone to go to sleep permanently, is something we should be debating irrespective of COVID.

Boris Johnson referred to "old people" - as MOnica says this probably refers to anyone over the age of 60 quite a number of whom are still in work - I didn't officially retire until 68 and continued to work free-lance until I stopped completely at age 78! Such "old people" are a completely different kettle of fish to those you are referring to... but Johnson just lumped them, unscientifically, all together as "old people" who should basically accept their fate by, presumably, not being treated for a COVID infection if they were unlucky enough to get it as the virus was "nature's" way of getting rid of us!

Johnson was simply not up to the job of dealing with the crisis and floundered around looking for ways to get it out of the way of his main pre-occupation which was Brexit and his own personal advancement built on the back of Brexit. Hence old people being basically recommended to FOAD!

I am in favour of 'assisted dying' for those of us who don't want to spend months or years lying miserably, half conscious in a care-home bed... but again, that's a separate matter.

Yesterday's Testimony by Deputy Cabinet Secretary Helen MacNamara was really damning. It revealed the severe inefficiences within 10 Downing Street and spoke of the long term woeful workings of the civil service. I apologise for not including a link but it will be on iplayer as the BBC has been relaying it on the News Channel,
Gob smacking evidence - calmly delivered.

Iam64

The confirmation of the heavy drinking, total lack of social distancing in Downing Street has me wondering how high the prevalence of covid was amongst staff. We know Johnson was infected after his daft comments about meeting and shaking hands with covid patients but how many others at number 10?

Quite honestly my thoughts are as they were all working together drinking or social distancing would have little effect to wether they caught covid or not.
Not that it excuses any rule breaking but many of the 'rules' were plain daft in the first place.

Germanshepherdsmum

It was not only a matter of ‘keeping businesses viable’, without furlough payments what would the employees have done?

Yes indeed.