Remembrance service

RosiesMaw

He did rather look as if he didn’t want to be there. 😒😒😒
Poor show.

Definitely.

He wasn't there for himself, his feelings today do not matter.
He was there on behalf of all those brave Scots who gave their lives for our freedom.

He should have known that.

vampirequeen

Why is it different for HY? He didn't sign away his right to make choices when he became the leader of the SNP. As long as he stood still then he's OK.

No, he was representing those brave Scots lost in conflict since 1914, not for himself.

Politics do not enter this.

No, not HY, as vampirequeen said.

I meant Stephen Flynn the Westminster Leader of the SNP

Remembrance day should be treated with respect; but there also needs to be respect for the different shades of opinion and feeling about how it is celebrated.
My father (who was in Singapore in WW2) refused to engage with it at all, believing the militaristic aspects (marching, flags, gun salutes etc.) to be inappropriate. We all respected this and it colours my feelings about it to this day.
As long as people stand quietly and cause no disturbance to the proceedings I think we should allow peopletheir own way of remembering.

It is not troops marching, as we see in other countries.

It is veterans' groups and other organisations, to lay their memorial wreaths on war memorials.

I agree, Luckygirl. However I feel that the decor and choreograpy of the Cenotaph ceremony are skewed towards the rightist establishment point of view.

PS Luckygirl, I am glad to hear about your father who now deceased, is still influencing you towards the good. and now you have given us the benefit.

his wreath WASN'T upside down ,Scottish wreaths have the memorial plaque at the bottom.Maybe the hypocrisy of the whole thing made him sick,it makes me sick to see RF loaded down with medals and in uniforms they never wore in service laying wreaths to men and women who were killed yet the ones who come home often end up on the streets with physical and mental disabilities.While RF and government live their best lives .

Sorry if it makes you feel sick paddyann.
Certainly he looked bored stiff.

For many of us who lost relatives it is an honour and humbling to remember them and their sacrifices.

If we can't spend time just occasionally, even just once a year, thinking of them and praying for a more peaceful world then it is a pity.

A public Remembrance is good. What is bad about the one that is currently shown on television is Establishment symbolism such as overmuch respect for aristocrats in their fine clothes, and officers' uniforms , too much respect for career politicians likewise all dressed up, and too much respect for people marching in tight formation in short too much respect for war and not enough sorrow for the pathos of human life and death.

Stephen Flynn's behaviour on Sunday was disgraceful. He sauntered out - I actually thought he was chewing gum!! I wonder how the people of Wales felt as he was representing their parliament as well.

Why was Stephen Flynn representing the Welsh Government???

Why did Stephen Flynn represent the Welsh Government??

Caleo

A public Remembrance is good. What is bad about the one that is currently shown on television is Establishment symbolism such as overmuch respect for aristocrats in their fine clothes, and officers' uniforms , too much respect for career politicians likewise all dressed up, and too much respect for people marching in tight formation in short too much respect for war and not enough sorrow for the pathos of human life and death.

I do not think that the children marching yesterday with their black and yellow scarves representing Scottie’s little soldiers (children who have a parent killed in recent conflict) or the surviving veterans being pushed in their wheelchairs along with all the veterans marching past the cenotaph are establishment symbolism

They just want to show their respect to the fallen, as do our politicians, both UK and those Countries who stood with the U.K. over the years in various wars, along with members of the Royal Family.

Speaking as a member of a military family, those family members still serving have absolutely no problem with a Royal being in an honorary position and wearing a uniform/medals.

Oops just realised that this is last years thread 🤷‍♀️

😂 and Stephen Flynn is up to his old tricks again this year.

Royalty, Politicians and Personnel in their fine clothes and ex-soldiers marching in tight formation are all showing respect for the War dead, not for war itself.

not enough sorrow for the pathos of human life and death.
Would you have them renting their garments and covered in sackcloth and ashes?
There was a further ceremony at the Cenotaph today for the two minutes silence when many more people representing different groups laid wreaths. Less choreographed, very moving, with a smaller crowd watching to the end.

Poppyred

Why did Stephen Flynn represent the Welsh Government??

He didn't represent the Welsh Government he jointly represented the SNP and Plaid Cymru. Both Wales and Scotland have their own Remembrance services in their own nations which the 'government' leaders attend.
The shared arrangement between SNP and Plaid Cymru has existed for 20+ years, l imagine they share it as they would each prefer to pay their respects in their home nation - that's just a supposition. They used to alternate but Flynn has attended 2 years running, no idea why, maybe ask him. He certainly gets some flack from MSM and the DM but it takes the flack off Scottish minority government. (The health minister has been claiming expenses for getting chauffeured to his teams football matches, rife in the Scottish news, but buried nationally as everyone concentrates on Flynn). C'est la vie.

Confusing - much.
This thread dates from LAST year so comments about Rishi, Suella and Hamza Yousuf refer to 2023.
Skimming through this seems to have led to some misunderstandings.

I don’t sing the National Anthem. It’s about allegiance to the RF not to the country.

Until the RF demonstrates, through their actions, that they truly care about all the citizens of the UK, they don’t earn my allegiance.

What would you have them do to show they truly care about all UK citizens, am curious?

Oreo here goes:

1) stop taking rent from public services and charities on Duchy land

2) give up some of their excessive homes and land to provide homes for UK citizens

3) ensure that the homes on Duchy land, for which they are landlords, are in a fit state for the occupants

4) pay IHT, CGT and all other taxes that UK citizens have to pay, commensurate with their income / wealth

5) stop being so hypocritical about the climate emergency

6) (I admit this one is based on my personal subjective opinion) stop being so bluddy patronising!

That’s it for starters … I’m sure I can come up with more.

I'll add sack Welby to that list LizzieD. Though Charles is unlikely to sack the guy who married him and his concubine.

Agreed OldFrill.

Charles is head of the Church of England - maybe he has questions to answer about the behaviour of his priests.

OldFrill

I'll add sack Welby to that list LizzieD. Though Charles is unlikely to sack the guy who married him and his concubine.

I recall Charles married Camilla in Windsor Registry Office.