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Billions to be cut from welfare services

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Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 08:16:35

BBC headline.

“Ministers have drawn up large benefit changes for people who are unable to work due to health conditions, the BBC has learned.

The changes, affecting hundreds of thousands of people from 2025, would save £4bn from the welfare budget.

The proposals would see many more people forced to find work despite suffering from a range of physical and mental health conditions.

If the proposals are enacted, people who, for instance, are in severe pain while awaiting an operation or have some mental health conditions, such as depression and anxiety, may not receive the additional payment but would be expected to look for work.”

I expect the money saved will go into tax cuts, which a tiny minority posting on GN will be thrilled about☹️

Nannan2 Wed 15-Nov-23 16:27:49

And i doubt £300 every few months has actually covered all the help everyones actually needed for increased food & fuel prices.

Nannan2 Wed 15-Nov-23 16:23:23

I also recall that as govt handed out 'extra money' to help- with other hand DWP took it off as it was considered "a higher amount to your UC" My money actually went down instead as they deducted it from the transition money(which was intended to make sure those who were previously on ESA didnt lose out) i was in support group but mine still got cut.Im not the only one either- a few have even tried to sue DWP over this- but of course the courts will always side with the DWP.As will the govt-and vice versa.

Nannan2 Wed 15-Nov-23 16:13:55

I'm 'real peoples mum' not just parent of a dog.i know the struggle of young disabled adults who could not funtion in a workplace, due to actual physical health problems, plus ASD issues on top-plus my own physical health problems and apparently being anxious over it all yet not recognising it as such- as i try to be a 'glass half full' type of person.So please dont patronise me and tell us the tories arent to blame for how things are- was'nt that how this thread began, with OP saying how TORY GOV'T has put this in place to push disabled people into work wether theyre able or not?🤨

yellowfox Wed 15-Nov-23 16:06:25

About time some of the lazy people in this country were made to earn a living.
I'm on a pension and still paying tax to cover for some idle people who have no intention of working.
Yes, there are some people who through sickness are unable to work bot they need to be sorted out and treated appropriately.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 15-Nov-23 16:01:40

I would like to know how the government has caused the cost of living crisis Nannan. You don’t seem to be able to back up your allegation. You may perhaps recall that people have been given money to help with the increased fuel and food costs.

Nannan2 Wed 15-Nov-23 15:56:53

This bl**dy gov't is to blame for all the mismanagement of our country in the first place- thats not even counting any wars- the war has given Tories an excuse to blame the cost of living crises on.

Nannan2 Wed 15-Nov-23 15:53:30

Oh my word gsm is a conservative supporter- blaming price rises & costs JUST on war in the Ukraine ànd other world crises- NEVER TAKE THE BLAME is what the conservatives mantra is!!

Nannan2 Wed 15-Nov-23 15:50:15

I never told them because i dont think they would have viewed it favorably anyway- they have been instructed to cut disability benefits no matter what and thats their job.

Nannan2 Wed 15-Nov-23 15:47:34

I am one of the ones who "try to be upbeat" about things, so consequently at my review i was marked down as 'not suffering from anxiety' it lost me 'points' (1 point to be exact!) Which would have allowed me more money each month that would have made such a difference with the high cost of everything now- i never told assessor i lie awake at night petrified to fall asleep in case my heart finally gives out because of all the physical heart problems i have- although they do know i have insomnia- or that i try keep upbeat so i can cope with all life throws at me or my 2 disabled sons who i have to help and care for also- because if i dont stay upbeat then i would probably just collapse in tears with struggling- or because i still think that theres always someone somewhere even worse off than us- but some days it really is too hard to stay happy & upbeat- what they need is assessors who can read between the lines, not cut peoples points or dish out sanctions.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 15-Nov-23 15:32:08

Have you not heard of the global effects on fuel and food prices of, for instance, the war in Ukraine Nannan? Now, pray tell me how the government is to blame?

Nannan2 Wed 15-Nov-23 15:11:16

GSM- and how do you not think they have???

Retired65 Wed 15-Nov-23 15:09:06

One way to get some people back into work, is by making sure they got the NHS treatment they need, to be able to work.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 15-Nov-23 14:55:33

It happens, don’t worry!😊 The annoying people are those who don’t fess up and apologise if they’ve made a mistake (as we all do sometimes).

Mt61 Wed 15-Nov-23 14:52:38

Germansheperdsmum
Sorry just saw red when I saw that post, new to this site, still learning my way round. Thanks ☺️

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 15-Nov-23 14:43:47

How do you think the Conservatives caused the cost of living crisis Nannan?

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 15-Nov-23 14:42:42

No worries Mt61 😊

Nannan2 Wed 15-Nov-23 14:38:28

Ì have 14 different health conditions- none of those include anxiety- but i worry so much at night about my physical/heart problems i cant sleep hardly at all- so yes i guess that could ɓe considered anxiety as well- so how can conservatives 'help me back to work' i wonder? Not all health problems are a 'choice' anyhow- they are actual physical health conditions- also no doubt this news by the conservatives is surely going to make a few more people with depression/anxiety take their own life as they can see no other way-as we have read about in last couple of years with cost of living crises- are the Conservatives proud of themselves for causing that? Probably.They are bl**dy despicable as a political party and should be ashamed of themselves.

Mt61 Wed 15-Nov-23 14:33:03

Sorry Germansheperdsmum, mis-read that post- meant for Quokka- I apologise 😞

Dickens Wed 15-Nov-23 14:30:54

I had surgery when I worked in Norway.

For a short while I was unable to work. But, here's the thing. They have a system where - with your approval - the medical professional who is 'on your case' will call your employer and discuss what he / she thinks you might be capable of doing - without giving any details of your medical condition, only your capabilities.

So your employer and your medical professional talk about what is possible and how you can be accommodated back into the job, either on 'light' duties, or part-time.

I initially went back to work for 3 days a week, my boss was very considerate, and I didn't feel under any pressure. When I felt better, I said I would try for full-time, which I managed quite well... but mostly because I was not under any pressure and knew that my boss 'understood' and that i had a medical professional (more respected I think in Norway) on my side if things all went 'pear-shaped'.

Being hounded and victimised is never going to work. People who are vulnerable through sickness and disability need positive and compassionate help, not threats of sanctions. You can lift someone's spirits simply by letting them know that you care enough to want to help them - and help them realistically with work that they can do, rather than just expecting them to apply for jobs that need filling (usually low-paid) and might be beyond their capabilities.

Nannan2 Wed 15-Nov-23 14:20:14

O.M.G.- again withthe 'lifestyle choice' business!- is quokka actually cruella Braverman in disguise?🤔

silverlining48 Wed 15-Nov-23 14:15:48

Treetops most people seem to have been sympathetic to those who struggle, don’t be upset by the few who were less so and don’t take it to heart. flowers

SheepyIzzy Wed 15-Nov-23 14:14:55

I never believed in anxiety or depression either, until I "broke", my sister told my employers "that the concrete cracked!" I was 25. I was off work for 14 months on Prozac, before the pills I had got to the stage that i was a shaking wreak, stressed, very high strung, the pills made me sleep, calmed me down. I spent months just trying to get my head right, I only left the house at night to walk the dogs after a few months. After 6 months, my GP went on maternity leave, her partner, knowing nothing about me, "right, let's get you back to work" that shook me to my core as even my GP had only said the previous month about my employer being in contact with her and keeping me off longer, 3rd practice partner looked at my notes and took over! I did go back after 14 months, and after 4 weeks my employer asked me if I would like to take redundancy as they could tell "relations" had altered too much. I took it and carried on healing at home.

Before all this hppened, I had NO issues with dentists, now, my nerves trigger the minute I hear the drill, I can't even tolerate a filling with the normal drill, my dentist had to calm me down, before hand, I'd even had wisdom teeth out, no problem, and that's major tugging!

Now? I'm 49, am I healed? NO! I can't remember the last time I was full of joy, happiness etc, yes, I smile at the dogs, I have so much love for my dogs, but every day stuff, I don't care! I really dont! It's horrible feeling, it's as if there is greyness all around me, I never see positives always negatives, yes, I've had councilling, don't work! I can get frustrated very easily, i find it easier to be by myself as I've always been by myself, I'm not lonely though, it's how we were brought up, look after yourself, as long as I have my animals to talk to, I'm fine.

There are some people out there that all you hear is "oh my mental health" because apparently that's the biggest health issue at the moment! But I'm old school, i don't talk about it because to be honest, the only person I could talk to us mum and if I say anything about not feeling right etc or being upset etc, all i get off her is "don't worry, you'll be fine", basically code for "I'm 81, I've got more issues".

Yes, I cry when I'm alone, if I don't I'll bloody well burst, never mind crack!

osamabinladen Wed 15-Nov-23 13:55:13

There are many negative posts. The UK has been in severe economic condition since it became a country for spongers. In the past, payments made to the unemployed had to be signed on at the unemployment office every two weeks and received a cheque to cash it. Most lived and worked in the EU countries and came home to sign on every two weeks. Now, fraudsters arrange for representatives to call the Job Centre. These fraudsters do not need to return but save overseas transportation costs. The comments I read are probably from benefit fraudsters and those with inherent generations who never worked a day. I do not apologise for my post, for people who worked for a living will agree they are paying taxes for people with forever unemployment or fraudulent ailments benefits—the inclusion of people willing to make the UK a Third World country.

Treetops05 Wed 15-Nov-23 13:40:52

Typo - Safe

Treetops05 Wed 15-Nov-23 13:40:20

I must admit, the hatred some are writing about those who receive ill-health benefits makes me feel ill. I had an operation many years ago which led me to a rare hidden disability, lose my job, my pride, my independence and yes regain the depression I had fought for years. I also gained a lifelong requirement for strong opiate pain care.

In the job I was in I couldn't work, I was a risk to myself and others (DWP Tribunal) yet many here appear to think i should be out 'doing my bit'. For the first time ever, I'm considering whether GN is a sage and friendly place, or whether it is time to part ways, as many opinions are truly shocking, and 'I'm alright Jack why aren't you? '