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Whitewavemark2 Thu 16-Nov-23 07:20:04

Yes race which identifies a person by its skin type, is a social/cultural construct.

It can’t be anything else.

It is certainly a fluid construct, and attitudes etc change over time.

In science there will presumably be a number of human races.

Neanderthal I suppose could be another - although isn’t that under question now? The is another human species I’ve read about but can’t remember the name.

OldFrill Thu 16-Nov-23 06:45:03

MaizieD

'White isn't a 'race', it's a colour.

I'm 'white' but I have slave ancestry not so far back and goodness knows what else.

I'd agree with Vence L. Bonham Jr., J.D. Race is a social construct.

In the Equality Act 2010, the protected characteristic of 'race' is defined as including colour, ethnic or national origin, or nationality

'Race' started by categorising people according to their colour.

What Bonham Jr omits to say is (I've inserted the pertinent words in bold)

Race has been used historically by white people to establish a social hierarchy with white people at the top whereby individuals are treated differently resulting in racism

MaizieD Thu 16-Nov-23 06:28:54

'White isn't a 'race', it's a colour.

I'm 'white' but I have slave ancestry not so far back and goodness knows what else.

I'd agree with Vence L. Bonham Jr., J.D. Race is a social construct.

growstuff Thu 16-Nov-23 06:17:55

How "white" does a person's skin have to be?

growstuff Thu 16-Nov-23 06:16:40

It's fluid because the scientific definition of race isn't the same as the political and social construct, which has how the word is now commonly used.

Scientifically, there is only one race ie homo sapiens sapiens.

There is no other single definition of race. It's a complex issue involving self-identification.

Ailidh Thu 16-Nov-23 06:10:08

I haven't thought about it before but I think I'd say that Race is immutable. I don't understand the idea of Self Identified Race (Nationality: yes, Race: no).

Race used to promote a social hierarchy has undeniably been the case Historically and, still is the case for some people.

I'm white by race, British by nationality, Scottish by subdivision of nationality, and proud of all three - but not negative to any other combinations.

I don't understand how race can be fluid, and I think it more important to work towards mutual acceptance of equality.

Allsorts Thu 16-Nov-23 05:44:56

I don't spend any time thinking of it. I'm proud of where I'm from and would be wherever that was.

growstuff Thu 16-Nov-23 03:59:19

"Race is a political and social construct that is fluid. Racial categorization can change over time, place, and context. Race has been used historically to establish a social hierarchy, whereby individuals are treated differently resulting in racism. Genomic scientists are currently investigating the relationship between self-identified race and genetic ancestry. There is more genetic variation within self-identified racial groups than between them."

Vence L. Bonham Jr., J.D.
Acting Deputy Director,
National Human Genome Research Institute

What does race mean to you?