Net Migration Shocker

nanna8

Just wondering who are these ‘far-right’ people? I find labelling people or groups of people dangerous and judgemental.

Really, on what basis? Far right and far left are both commonly used expressions and just describe a position on a political spectrum. It is of course, culturally referenced and I believe you live in Australia?

Just wondering who are these ‘far-right’ people? I find labelling people or groups of people dangerous and judgemental.

ronib

DAR carers could be an exempted profession in any new legislation? Bit dramatic to suggest that Jenrick and Badenoch know what they are talking about.

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DAR carers could be an exempted profession in any new legislation? Bit dramatic to suggest that Jenrick and Badenoch know what they are talking about.

Grantanow

And now we have Jenrick and Badenoch proposing to cut visas for workers in the care sector which has great difficulty attracting staff for old people's homes. Clearly they don't care about the impact on those needing care.

(Yes, I know the homes could pay more to attract UK workers but given the overall shortage of workers that simply means denuding other sectors of staff).

Perhaps we really have to accept the far-right intend to kill off the elderly.

I confess that i am ignorant on this subject, but why do we not give legal immigrants time limited visas after which they are expected to return home.

Say 5 years extendable to 10, which could be made permanent in some circumstances. It seems to me that especially for medical stff, to come over here, work and link that with study to improve their qualification would benefit both this country and their country of origin when they return.

I’m surprised that students are include in the net migration figures most of them will go home. Legal migrants I don’t have a problem with, at present we are in Norway a Shengen country and every where you go Norwegians are notable by their abscence, shops , restaurants, tours, you name it.

Partly true Dinahmo. The people from India who are being granted visas are not doing the kind of jobs which many EU citizens did. There's been a huge increase in student visas granted to people from India, which largely accounts for the overall increase in immigration which people are moaning about. Most of those students are doing postgrad study and paying a fortune for it, which is keeping universities afloat.

It's to the UK's credit that we still have a globally prestigious HE system, which people are willing to pay for and improves the country's balance of payments, but of course this means that immigration will increase and people need to accept that.

When we were still in the EU free movement of people existed (as I'm sure you all know). This meant that we did not need people from countries outside the EU and it was difficult for people from India and even from the West Indies to obtain visas. Since Brexit people from those and other countries have applied for visas. Hence the increase in visas to Indian people.

Grantanow

And now we have Jenrick and Badenoch proposing to cut visas for workers in the care sector which has great difficulty attracting staff for old people's homes. Clearly they don't care about the impact on those needing care.

(Yes, I know the homes could pay more to attract UK workers but given the overall shortage of workers that simply means denuding other sectors of staff).

Badenoch must be one of the biggest hypocrites on the planet. It is on record (from interviews with her) that her mother, who was born and lived in Nigeria at the time, flew to London to give birth to Kemi and did the same for her brother. At the time, people were able to claim nationality based on place of birth.

Digging down to see where the biggest increase in foreign visas is coming from, it's students, specifically students from India. There's been a huge increase in the numbers over the last four years.

Badenoch did not live in the UK until she was 16, when she came to the UK specifically to study. She, of course, had British nationality and it was three years before she started university, so had the residency eligibility for a full student grant, which was available at the time.

I can't help feeling that if this had been a Labour MP, the media would be all over it. It makes me very angry that she is one of the most vocal supporters of slamming the door shut, which she entered herself.

Allsorts

Loads of of us when retired work for a charity or do voluntary work, you choose yours and I will choose mine, the things close to my heart, thank you
Grantanow, I really don't think people are interested in facts unfortunately. Rather rose coloured spectacles. Enough said it it is what it is, sadly.

Alas, Allsorts, it's true that some people aren't interested in facts that blow a hole in their world view but I live in hope that others will be interested in facts rather than the dubious rhetoric of self-serving Tory politicians.

And now we have Jenrick and Badenoch proposing to cut visas for workers in the care sector which has great difficulty attracting staff for old people's homes. Clearly they don't care about the impact on those needing care.

(Yes, I know the homes could pay more to attract UK workers but given the overall shortage of workers that simply means denuding other sectors of staff).

Indeed foxie but do go on saying it as it takes those in thawl to the lie about numbers a while to become disentangle.

Unfortunately explaining why the immigration figures are so high is not the "vote catcher" that focusing on Asylum seekers is. Students pouring money into our economy, workers keeping our hospitals and care homes running are never going to get people het up enough to vote Conservative because they are pretty difficult to scapegoat.

Unless students overstay their visas, they are here perfectly legally, paying HE institutions nearly £30,000 a year for the privilege and spending money in the UK economy.

Nearly 500,000 study visas were granted in 2022.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2022/why-do-people-come-to-the-uk-to-study

Are we saying the same thing? Sadly, I don't think it can be emphasised enough.

DaisyAnneReturns

Casdon

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67530919
If I read this correctly, the number of migrants has increased dramatically since 2021.

But the were migrants with visas, presumably arriving by plane and welcomed by this government because the had to admit we needed them.

I know, that’s the point though, surely?

Casdon

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67530919
If I read this correctly, the number of migrants has increased dramatically since 2021.

But the were migrants with visas, presumably arriving by plane and welcomed by this government because the had to admit we needed them.

Loads of of us when retired work for a charity or do voluntary work, you choose yours and I will choose mine, the things close to my heart, thank you
Grantanow, I really don't think people are interested in facts unfortunately. Rather rose coloured spectacles. Enough said it it is what it is, sadly.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67530919
If I read this correctly, the number of migrants has increased dramatically since 2021.

DaisyAnneReturns

Unpleasant? Stifling debate? What do you call this, eazybee? If you (or the writer) want others to speak softly and with reasoned facts, you need to the same.

And many don’t! They disappear into the black economy and therefore pay no taxes or insurance, and others simply keep on getting work visas and stay on to work, and bring their families in to join them, if they’re not already here as ‘dependents’ although I’m unsure how anyone can be dependent on a student without a job.

I find this disgusting. Others will find it disgusting too. When trying to work out why someone would say that, without any proof or numbers to tell us who and why those described are doing what MO says they are, I have reached only one conclusion. If there is another one I am very happy to learn.

For the record he most recent statistics available are for the year ending March 2020 - which showed there were 1.9 million visas that expired during that time. There was no record of departure for 83,600 people whose work, study or family visa expired in that period.

That means 5.2% of legal visa holders may have overstayed.

Given the incompetence of the Home Office (which is responsible for monitoring) under recent Tory Home Secretaries it could be higher or lower but at first sight it is not massive. Some will have legitimate reasons for overstaying (which are provided for in the regulations).

GrannyGravy13

Grantanow the birth rate is falling across Europe, along with some Asian Countries Hong Kong and South Korea for example.

Yes and that means we shall struggle in future years to attract the immigrants we need to fill essential jobs and support our universities.

maddyone

So you have exactly zilch personal experience of working with foreign students DAR.
I wonder why I’m not surprised that you know absolutely nothing!
The law has nothing to do with the it. All the pupils I was referring to came here perfectly legally, but they didn’t bring their families with them because they were at a boarding school. The parents remained at home earning the money to pay their school fees.

One last try MO.

I will not answer personal questions. Volunteering information is one thing. Demanding it on the internet is out of order. Most recognise this and add an "of course, don't answer if you don't want to.

Having not answered, it is illogical for you to decide you know the answer.

You have then completely misunderstood why the laws about people accompanying the foreign students exist. Do you really think they would spend time passing laws if this never happened?