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Are your taxes (or your working ACs, and AGCs) really going to go down?

(23 Posts)
DaisyAnneReturns Fri 24-Nov-23 11:48:46

Lots of lovely graphs, figures, and knowledgeable analysis on here for those who like to add visual into the mix. Some of the figures are stunning even though we are aware what is happening!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LjK6XrzH90

Their heading is "Autumn Statement: Will the National Indurance cut actually save you money?

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 24-Nov-23 11:58:12

Tell us something we don’t already know.

MaizieD Fri 24-Nov-23 12:08:31

What might be interesting to many is that the tax 'cuts' are being 'paid for' by even more cuts to public services.

I saw Hunt being quoted yesterday as saying that the cuts are needed to 'eliminate waste' in the public sector. But they've been saying this for 13 years now. Either that was one hell of a lot of 'waste' which needed eliminating or 13 years of tory government has been extremely bad at doing anything about it...

But we all know that cutting public spending is really purely ideological. And that further cuts will not only make struggling public services even worse but, with the public sector usually contributing to at least one third of GDP, they will just further depress growth.

The OBR know that, they downgraded their growth forecast on the strength of this Autumn Statement.

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 24-Nov-23 12:08:45

Isn't it a little presumptuous to assume you have nothing more to learn?

Hopefully, some will find it useful. If not, that's fine too Germanshepherdsmum

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 24-Nov-23 12:19:08

It is Maisie.

Sadly, 'eliminating waste in the public sector' has always been a euphemism for 'eliminating the private sector'.

If they were updating these areas I could understand, but they are simply starving everything in the public sphere.

MaizieD Fri 24-Nov-23 12:21:56

Sadly, 'eliminating waste in the public sector' has always been a euphemism for 'eliminating the private sector'.

Don't you mean 'eliminating the public sector'? grin

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 24-Nov-23 12:28:59

If you thought that clip was informative DAR, I’m amazed - unless of course the intended audience are singularly ignorant. Possibly the latter given the format.

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 24-Nov-23 22:13:46

Germanshepherdsmum

If you thought that clip was informative DAR, I’m amazed - unless of course the intended audience are singularly ignorant. Possibly the latter given the format.

Now that unnecessary post makes me think the right are really worried. You seem to have suddenly become very class conscious. Isn't that dreadfully nouveau in your world?

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 24-Nov-23 22:24:34

Class conscious, moi?

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 25-Nov-23 09:08:40

Is it the Yorkshire accent Germanshepherdsmum? I do think it would be interesting to hear people on her as well as read them. Broad Essex for you perhapsgrin

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 25-Nov-23 09:31:58

Eh bah goom lass, I canna say. 😁

MaizieD Sat 25-Nov-23 09:56:37

DaisyAnneReturns

Is it the Yorkshire accent Germanshepherdsmum? I do think it would be interesting to hear people on her as well as read them. Broad Essex for you perhapsgrin

I thought GSM was in Norfolk. Quite different from Essex...

MaizieD Sat 25-Nov-23 09:57:51

Germanshepherdsmum

Eh bah goom lass, I canna say. 😁

It's 'eeee', not 'eh'.

At least, it was when I lived in Yorkshire grin

Dinahmo Sat 25-Nov-23 10:01:46

I'd be surprised if GFM 's accent is NFN

Dinahmo Sat 25-Nov-23 10:02:22

or even that she is NFN

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 25-Nov-23 10:15:49

I lived most of my life in and just outside Cambridge. Then rural Essex for some years, and retired to Norfolk. No discernible accent.

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 25-Nov-23 12:35:04

MaizieD

DaisyAnneReturns

Is it the Yorkshire accent Germanshepherdsmum? I do think it would be interesting to hear people on her as well as read them. Broad Essex for you perhapsgrin

I thought GSM was in Norfolk. Quite different from Essex...

It is Maizie, my father was from Norfolk. I could really only hear his accent when he was on the phone. I imagine Airforce life gradually eroded it.

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 25-Nov-23 12:48:33

MaizieD

Germanshepherdsmum

Eh bah goom lass, I canna say. 😁

It's 'eeee', not 'eh'.

At least, it was when I lived in Yorkshire grin

And "canna" would further up than Yorkshire I think.

I don't think I have an accent either Germanshepherdsmum, but I am surprised when I hear a recording.

Ziplok Sat 25-Nov-23 12:55:18

‘Canna say” is more north east than Yorkshire, too.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 25-Nov-23 13:02:39

You’ve found my soft spot - I wondered if anyone spot it.

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 25-Nov-23 13:44:25

Matt Baker: Travels with Mum and Dad is on at the moment for those who want to see a bit of lovely Yorkshire and the North East - they heading for Barnard Castle at the moment and the Bowes Museum at the moment.

We live on an amazing island.

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 25-Nov-23 13:44:57

they they're

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 25-Nov-23 20:10:10

Just listening to/watching The New Statesman Questions podcast on which they were answering a question, having checked the latest figures on livng standards, which this time come from the Resolution Foundation, a respected think-tank. They found that this year ,workers in the UK are £11,000 worse off a year after 15 years of wage stagnation.

The also pointed out that the standard Tory reply is that we have 4 million more people in work. The explained this is partly due to the increase in net migration as discussed elsewhere and that we have one of the highest employment rates in the developed world - unemployment is low. Then you hsve to ask questions about the quality of those jobs and whether they enable people to maintain their living standards. The answer to that, in the last 18 months has often been "no". It is also often insecure, gig economy work.