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Charles III gets North Westerners money!

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Glorianny Fri 24-Nov-23 12:57:38

It seems that if you die without making a will in the NW and relatives can't be found the money goes to the Duchy of Lancaster. Charles made £26 million. Surely this isn't right. The Duchy of Cornwall can also claim. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/how-royal-estates-use-bona-vacantia-to-collect-money-from-dead-people-king-charles#:~:text=The%20duchies%20of%20Lancaster%20and%20Cornwall%20retained%20the%20custom%20of,on%20the%20administration%20of%20wills.

Norah Sat 25-Nov-23 14:06:58

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

Not on this thread
I should clarify- on Gransnet.
Just as it has been suggested by posters on GN that anything and everything a person possesses should be claimed by the Government when they die. Property, acquired wealth, possessions.

It's rather extreme.

I think this came up last year, it was a rather heated discussion on IHT.

Heated and stupid -- why after a life of work hard give everything (property, wealth, possessions) to the government to squander?

Callistemon21 Sat 25-Nov-23 12:40:19

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

Not on this thread
I should clarify- on Gransnet.
Just as it has been suggested by posters on GN that anything and everything a person possesses should be claimed by the Government when they die. Property, acquired wealth, possessions.

It's rather extreme.

I think this came up last year, it was a rather heated discussion on IHT.

I know I didn't imagine it!

Callistemon21 Sat 25-Nov-23 12:39:46

nanna8

The alternative is so much worse. I’m not a particular royalist but I truly believe Charles is a good monarch and not a selfish money grabbing toff. I also like all the history stuff that goes with the British monarchy and all the pomp and dressing up - spectacular and worth so much in tourist dollars.

They do make us a net profit, as explained in my post.

Unfortunately, even an independent report falls on some deaf ears.

nanna8 Sat 25-Nov-23 12:36:27

The alternative is so much worse. I’m not a particular royalist but I truly believe Charles is a good monarch and not a selfish money grabbing toff. I also like all the history stuff that goes with the British monarchy and all the pomp and dressing up - spectacular and worth so much in tourist dollars.

Caleo Sat 25-Nov-23 12:31:10

I woke up this morning still an anti -monarchist. It's not enough to hope the feudal system will go away by itself. There has to be legislation.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 25-Nov-23 12:28:35

Callistemon21

^Not on this thread^
I should clarify- on Gransnet.
Just as it has been suggested by posters on GN that anything and everything a person possesses should be claimed by the Government when they die. Property, acquired wealth, possessions.

It's rather extreme.

I think this came up last year, it was a rather heated discussion on IHT.

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 25-Nov-23 12:26:09

Callistemon21

Mollygo

Callistemon21
Perhaps all our private homes should be handed over to the government?
It could be a slippery slope down to that expectation.

I have seen the possibility mooted on here 😲

Really?

Callistemon21 Sat 25-Nov-23 12:22:58

Not on this thread
I should clarify- on Gransnet.
Just as it has been suggested by posters on GN that anything and everything a person possesses should be claimed by the Government when they die. Property, acquired wealth, possessions.

It's rather extreme.

Glorianny Sat 25-Nov-23 11:34:59

Callistemon21

Mollygo

Callistemon21
Perhaps all our private homes should be handed over to the government?
It could be a slippery slope down to that expectation.

I have seen the possibility mooted on here 😲

Not on this thread.
The idea that anyone is proposing any home should be taken from anyone is irrelevant. No one his said this.
Taking the money from a man who can easily afford to look after his own property is what is proposed. That money could do so much more good elsewhere. Building social housing, building hospitals and schools, repairing pot holes there are so many things which need fixing.
Why on earth should Charles get it to do up properties, so he can rent them out to executives and their families?

nadateturbe Fri 24-Nov-23 23:13:52

I guess it goes back hundreds of years to how the monarchy acquired their land and fortune. And we have been here before.
Why can't we just provide a home and good income for anyone in the RF who works for us.
They're just people like us.
Time for bed 🥱

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 22:53:36

Mollygo

Callistemon21
Perhaps all our private homes should be handed over to the government?
It could be a slippery slope down to that expectation.

I have seen the possibility mooted on here 😲

Mollygo Fri 24-Nov-23 22:49:56

Callistemon21
Perhaps all our private homes should be handed over to the government?
It could be a slippery slope down to that expectation.

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 22:45:06

nadateturbe

So why can't the monarchy just have one home, give everything else back to the country and live off the pretty good income we give them.

🤔

The income we give them goes to pay for the offices and work of the Head of State.

There are three official residences, any other homes are privately owned.

Perhaps all our private homes should be handed over to the government?

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 22:40:35

You don't know if Charles is also doing this
Neither do you.

But I very much doubt it.

Mollygo Fri 24-Nov-23 22:30:56

This money could be so much better spent?
Once you start removing property from people who own it, but don’t spend the profits the way you like, the question is where will that stop?
No second home owners? (Do they give their profits to charity) No landlords buying buy to let properties and not giving their profits to charity?

nadateturbe Fri 24-Nov-23 22:30:28

So why can't the monarchy just have one home, give everything else back to the country and live off the pretty good income we give them.

Glorianny Fri 24-Nov-23 21:54:09

Callistemon21

^Just think how many families are living in properties unsuitable for many reasons^

Yes, that is so unfair because presumably their landlords take the profits and don't spend the money keeping the properties in a good state of repair.

The convoluted thinking by republicans who dislike the monarchy and everything to do with it is really strange. So intent are they on finding fault with the monarchy they contradict themselves 😁

What happens Callistemon21is if the landlord decides to improve the property he gives the tenant notice, so that he can charge more rent after the work. You don't know if Charles is also doing this. The families finish up in inadequate or B&B accommodation. This money could be so much better spent.

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 24-Nov-23 20:58:10

Was that a reply to my post Germanshepherdsmum? If so, the answer is no. If not, ignore this postsmile

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 20:38:17

I'll be accused of being sycophantic soon 😁

No, I'm not, I'm just a pragmatic royalist who thinks the alternative is far worse.

Please don't bring up Ireland as an example again 😂😂😂

hollysteers Fri 24-Nov-23 20:22:38

The Duchy estates of Lancaster and Cornwall are vast. There are very tight restrictions for tenants, many complaints and I believe these lands should have no relation to the crown whatsoever, who already own enough land let’s face it.

This country desperately needs social housing and the populace could do without this dated practice.
I’m not entirely against a monarchy btw and as mentioned above, what happens in other countries when no will is made?

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 20:09:50

Just think how many families are living in properties unsuitable for many reasons

Yes, that is so unfair because presumably their landlords take the profits and don't spend the money keeping the properties in a good state of repair.

The convoluted thinking by republicans who dislike the monarchy and everything to do with it is really strange. So intent are they on finding fault with the monarchy they contradict themselves 😁

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 20:06:18

Silly post. Really quite bizarre.

So, wealthy landlord spends profits renovating rental properties for his tenants and that is a reason to criticise him?

Glorianny Fri 24-Nov-23 20:03:44

Just think how many families are living in properties unsuitable for many reasons, or how many council houses this money could have built. But hey they are poor people. Much better a rich privileged irrelevant man should have it and use it to update his already vast property empire, so he can charge more rent and line his pockets even more.

Callistemon21 Fri 24-Nov-23 19:56:24

Grany

Germanshepherdsmum

Here are the latest Duchy of Lancaster report and audited accounts Glorianny and Grany. It you can scroll down to the accounts and footnote 9 you will see details of bona vacantia receipts and payments therefrom to charitable causes.
www.duchyoflancaster.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2022-DoL-ARR.pdf

In an investigation it was found Charles spent money on doing up his houses for rental.

Read the report
www.republic.org.uk/the_true_cost_of_the_royals

Oh, excellent news, thank you Grany

That would be from the income from the Duchy, I believe.
So many landlords would just take the profits and leave their tenants in uninhabitable properties.

Well done, Charles 🙂

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 24-Nov-23 19:32:36

Do you think the auditors are lying fools?