Charles III gets North Westerners money!

Will you're at it get a POA sorted while you still have all your faculties.

Do you need to shout at us Rabbitgran?

Paddyann54 - VERY WELL SAID, THANK YOU!

PR is the next step in democracy and we cannot turn our back on it forever nadateturbe.

Totally agree DaisyAnneReturns.

Whatever the outcome it should come from each vote counting for the same value. There are many areas in this country where some votes count for nothing!

If it needs a total of (all voters/650 seats) for one MP it should be the same for each seat. Politics is messy but that is no reason to dump democracy.

PR is the next step in democracy and we cannot turn our back on it forever nadateturbe. Dictatorships often seem to be less messy but that's certainly not the direction of travel I want to go in!

^Old Frill:-"I used to support PR, then l saw the effects in Israel and Scotland."

Caleo:- what PR,: what effects^?

I think we should have PR too. What effects?

OldFrill

GrannyRose15

I enjoy watching Heir Hunters on TV. Professional heir hunters search through a published list of people who have died intestate with unknown relatives and a substantial estate. They then search for relatives and help them to claim the estate. The programme gets quite exciting and intense at times. It also shows that efforts are made to trace family before money is taken by the Crown.

Heir hunters charge a tidy sum for uniting any money with the rightful heir, I'm not sure of the morality of those earnings.

They work for them. It is a percentage of the inheritance. I know someone who received money in this way. His thinking was that it's better to have the large percentage left than nothing at all.

Caleo

Caleo:- "It's not only that the RF is too rich or too feudal that is wrong. There must be a ruling elite in every society however
each ruling elite must be controlled by modernised laws . We really do need proportional representation to modernise the law."

Old Frill:-"I used to support PR, then l saw the effects in Israel and Scotland."

Caleo:- what PR,: what effects?

Germanshepherdsmum

The relatives wouldn’t otherwise know about the inheritance and I’m sure the heir hunters spend a lot of time trying to trace relatives but reaching a dead end, so I don’t consider their charges are ‘immoral’. Everyone has to earn a living.

Tes, there is that aspect. It’s better than the people who keep telling me that they’ll investigate to see if I am owed some tax.
I know they’ll take a percentage, but on small letters, they also say that I’ll only get some money if I’m owed more than their % cut.

The relatives wouldn’t otherwise know about the inheritance and I’m sure the heir hunters spend a lot of time trying to trace relatives but reaching a dead end, so I don’t consider their charges are ‘immoral’. Everyone has to earn a living.

GrannyRose15

I enjoy watching Heir Hunters on TV. Professional heir hunters search through a published list of people who have died intestate with unknown relatives and a substantial estate. They then search for relatives and help them to claim the estate. The programme gets quite exciting and intense at times. It also shows that efforts are made to trace family before money is taken by the Crown.

Heir hunters charge a tidy sum for uniting any money with the rightful heir, I'm not sure of the morality of those earnings.

Caleo

It's not only that the RF is too rich or too feudal that is wrong. There must be a ruling elite in every society however
each ruling elite must be controlled by modernised laws . We really do need proportional representation to modernise the law.

I used to support PR, then l saw the effects in Israel and Scotland.

I enjoy watching Heir Hunters on TV. Professional heir hunters search through a published list of people who have died intestate with unknown relatives and a substantial estate. They then search for relatives and help them to claim the estate. The programme gets quite exciting and intense at times. It also shows that efforts are made to trace family before money is taken by the Crown.

I'm not going to waste time repeating what previous threads have discussed in depth..
Criticising the wealth of the RF is not hate. I don't hate any of them.

Glorianny

Germanshepherdsmum

It isn’t what you said Glorianny. You talked about interfering in Acts of Parliament. That doesn’t happen. Nor is legislation changed. There may be consultation at draft Bill stage - and not only with representatives of the monarchy. Your ‘perceived view’ is incorrect.

Well it certainly isn't the uninvolved, simply a figurehead, constitutional monarchy it is sold as.
Does it really matter when the intervention happens? It shouldn't happen at all.

Twisting words again Glorianny. Consultation and intervention are not the same thing as I'm sure you knew, even as you wrote it.

Parliament is supreme although I can certainly think of ways to ensure it remains that way that have nothing to do with Heads of State.

Perhaps you should study constitutional law, as I have, rather than talking about ‘what it is sold as’. And yes, the stage at which consultation - not intervention - happens is significant. It is up to Parliament to agree or decline to pass a Bill.

nadateturbe

There has been plenty of reasoning, not just in this post. Republicans are entitled to their views without being abused. Republicans don't hate members of the RF, it's the system they object to

No, there have been personal attacks on the King and the late Queen and a lot I've talk about them being rich.

If I have missed something please point me to the in depth discussion on how to change our form of democracy and our laws to pander to what was last measured in polling* as 26% of voters.

*YouGov September 04, 2023

Germanshepherdsmum

It isn’t what you said Glorianny. You talked about interfering in Acts of Parliament. That doesn’t happen. Nor is legislation changed. There may be consultation at draft Bill stage - and not only with representatives of the monarchy. Your ‘perceived view’ is incorrect.

Well it certainly isn't the uninvolved, simply a figurehead, constitutional monarchy it is sold as.
Does it really matter when the intervention happens? It shouldn't happen at all.

nadateturbe

There has been plenty of reasoning, not just in this post. Republicans are entitled to their views without being abused. Republicans don't hate members of the RF, it's the system they object to

I think you'll find some Republicans do hate members of the RF, calling them parasites and worse. It is very much personal at times, not just the system that is criticised. Have you ever read any posts by grany or paddyanne on this and other threads?

Nadateturbe,I agree.

There has been plenty of reasoning, not just in this post. Republicans are entitled to their views without being abused. Republicans don't hate members of the RF, it's the system they object to

nadateturbe

It's not prejudice if it's based on reason.

Where is that reasoning? At the moment all I have seen is attacks on the King and our late Queen. They could no more have control over the position they were born into than a Jew or a person of colour can control being born with their heritage. It is pure prejudice. Royal or none-royal the Head of State is still a human being and all human beings are flawed.

This does not mean we cannot change our constitution if someone could put forward reasoned argument as to why changing it would be better for the country. If you want to convince others you need to make an arguement on constitutional basis, not the attack the person in a Daily Mail style slanging fest.

Telling people things "will be better that if ..." which are later discovered to have no basis in evidence is surely a lesson we should have learned from Brexit, Covid, Rwanda, etc., does not improve the country.

It isn’t what you said Glorianny. You talked about interfering in Acts of Parliament. That doesn’t happen. Nor is legislation changed. There may be consultation at draft Bill stage - and not only with representatives of the monarchy. Your ‘perceived view’ is incorrect.

It's not only that the RF is too rich or too feudal that is wrong. There must be a ruling elite in every society however
each ruling elite must be controlled by modernised laws . We really do need proportional representation to modernise the law.

Germanshepherdsmum

Maybe you should research the process by which a Bill becomes an Act of Parliament Glorianny. There are, and have been for many years, certainly before the late Queen came to the throne, Acts of Parliament which do not bind the Crown. There is a consultation with the monarch’s representatives in the case of proposed legislation and any changes which they wish to see are dealt with at Bill stage, before the Bill is passed by Parliament.

That's exactly what I said GSM. The late queen though undoubtedly used her representatives to change legislation. That isn't exactly what a constitutional monarchy is supposed to do, and certainly isn't what the RF has been sold to the general public as. The perceived view is that the monarch takes no part in government but is simply a figurehead.