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Tommy Robinson arrested. Police using their existing powers

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Rosie51 Sun 26-Nov-23 23:53:55

I should start by saying I loathe Tommy Robinson and all he stands for. I'm pretty OK that he was arrested for failing to comply with a police order. I'm equally OK with the arrest and detention of Just Stop Oil protestors who are being held in custody for breaching previous bail conditions. SM is awash with pleas for 'poor Phoebe' who has been remanded in custody for breaching her bail conditions, to the point a 'Go fund me' page has been started. I don't see any difference between Tommy Robinson's offence or Phoebe's. As long as the law is fairly applied without political influence that's fine.

Deedaa Sun 26-Nov-23 23:38:11

Yaxley Lennon should remember that in the USA refusing to comply can get you shot. He's lucky to be living in a country where he can still walk the streets spreading his poisonous views. No doubt we shall here a lot about his "victimisation"

Galaxy Sun 26-Nov-23 23:14:25

Yes short term its lovely, long term its likely to be horrendous. But on we go.

growstuff Sun 26-Nov-23 23:11:25

Section 35 of the Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 provides police officers with discretionary powers to disperse individuals or groups causing, or likely to cause, harassment, alarm, or distress to others. It enables officers to issue a dispersal order, which can cover a specific area for up to 48 hours, allowing them to instruct individuals to leave the area and not return for a designated period. Failure to comply with such an order can result in arrest.

The police acted within the law. Tommy Robinson has form for being a catalyst for trouble. I don't think the police or the organisers would have much trouble defending a claim that he would be likely to cause harassment, alarm, or distress to others.

I'm really pleased that this march went off without any major incident. The last thing the organisers wanted was somebody with extremist views encouraging others with extremist views, resulting in any kind of scuffle.

Galaxy Sun 26-Nov-23 22:57:40

It's actually a perfectly reasonable question and it is a comparison that is being made on every area of social media currently.
I am really uncomfortable about this and I loathe Tommy Robinson.

growstuff Sun 26-Nov-23 22:56:12

maddyone It's been reported on the BBC, Sky and a number of other media outlets. There's video from a number of sources of the actual arrest.

growstuff Sun 26-Nov-23 22:53:58

Anniebach

The police have said they are working on those chanting anti semetic stuff, taking some time is it not ?

That has nothing to do with Tommy Robinson's arrest.

Anniebach Sun 26-Nov-23 22:49:23

The police have said they are working on those chanting anti semetic stuff, taking some time is it not ?

maddyone Sun 26-Nov-23 22:31:52

I’m not worried that this despicable person was removed from the march, especially as others have pointed out that the police asked him not to attend as did the organisers of the march, again according to what others have said. I haven’t seen a report about this and so I’m getting my information from Gransnet. I would hope he was arrested because he failed to comply with the police request as stated and not for his political views, however distasteful they are to the majority, if not all, of us Gransnetters.
I’m rather more concerned about some of the behaviours at the pro Palestinian marches, please note I said some of the behaviours. I’m disturbed that some behaviours appear to be being ignored.

Louella12 Sun 26-Nov-23 21:24:16

Anniebach

I agree GrannyGravy.

Me too.

growstuff Sun 26-Nov-23 21:19:43

He was arrested today because he refused to comply with a dispersal order, which banned him from being in the area of the antisemitism march. The order was issued at the request of the organisers, who didn't want him after he had announced he would be there.

Callistemon21 Sun 26-Nov-23 20:09:32

Grandmabatty

Tommy Robinson is a well known provocator and was responsible for inciting mayhem on remembrance Sunday before running away in a taxi. The thuggery of his followers is well documented. I don't think he was removed because of a political opinion

Was he arrested for those incidences or for what he might have said or done today?

If the latter, that is worrying.

I think he's a troublemaker, probably dangerous, but if he has been arrested for his views, that is a dangerous path to go down and there are many others who should be arrested too.

Grandmabatty Sun 26-Nov-23 19:27:01

Tommy Robinson is a well known provocator and was responsible for inciting mayhem on remembrance Sunday before running away in a taxi. The thuggery of his followers is well documented. I don't think he was removed because of a political opinion

foxie48 Sun 26-Nov-23 19:11:42

If your political views stay within the law and do not consist of blatant Islamophobia (or Anti semitism, homophobia etc) then yes, I agree with you. Tommy Robinson's views do not stay within the law which is why he has spent time in jail. The organisers of the march did not want him or his supporters there and he was given several opportunities to leave but didn't. I am pleased to see him being removed by the MET, just as I was pleased to see people wearing or waving anything that supported Hamas in any of the marches in support of Palestinians. If we want to keep the right to march and protest we all need to do it within the law.

Delila Sun 26-Nov-23 18:57:44

GrannyGravy, people organising this March knew, based on very recent experience, that Tommy Robinson was likely to cause disruption, and based on their request, and not on his political views, he was directed to leave and refused to do so, so he was arrested.

growstuff Sun 26-Nov-23 18:51:12

My understanding is that the organisers of the march didn't want Robinson. He was issued with a dispersal order before the march started and was banned from entering a specific area for 48 hours. He refused to comply, argued with the police and was arrested.

If anybody had asked for dispersal orders to be issued to specific individuals before the pro-Palestinian marches (and they'd been granted), I guess the Met would have had to do the same.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 26-Nov-23 18:38:03

BlueBelle

I disagree with GG and Annie the man should not be walking around a free man he should be behind bars
Him and his ilk are what’s making this country such a nasty place
Good for the Met

You have missed the point, I neither like or admire him, but I am concerned that its possible to be arrested (not charged) for one’s political views l.

BlueBelle Sun 26-Nov-23 18:32:40

I disagree with GG and Annie the man should not be walking around a free man he should be behind bars
Him and his ilk are what’s making this country such a nasty place
Good for the Met

Anniebach Sun 26-Nov-23 18:26:31

I agree GrannyGravy.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 26-Nov-23 17:49:48

As much as I dislike the man I am rather concerned that the Met is picking and choosing who they arrest in a disjointed fashion.

The Met stood by late yesterday as pro Palestinian protesters let off flares and fireworks in central London whilst chanting for Jihad and death to all Jews(source multiple high profile Jewish folks social media posts and videos). That was definitely anti social behaviour.

I am concerned that it’s possible to be arrested for your political stance.

Dinahmo Sun 26-Nov-23 17:06:36

Tommy Robinson was arrested at today's march against Anti Semitism. Today's good news. (apart from the hostage release)

From the Guardian:
In a statement the Met, asked about Yaxley-Lennon’s arrest, said: “At around 13.30 on Saturday 26 November, officers working as part of the policing and security operation for the March Against Antisemitism arrested a 40-year-old man on the Strand.

“He had refused to comply with a direction to disperse under section 35 of the Antisocial Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act.

“We have been in frequent contact with the organisers of the march in recent days. They have been clear about their concerns that the man’s attendance, and that of those who were likely to accompany him, would cause fear for other participants. The same view has been voiced by others.

“As a result, he was spoken to and warned on more than one occasion that his continued presence in the area was likely to cause harassment, alarm and distress to others. He was directed to leave the area but refused to do so.

“We’re aware that the man had suggested he was in the area as a journalist. This was not a relevant factor in his arrest.”