Braverman’s leadership bid.

Whitewavemark2

I was struck by Braverman’s speech yesterday at the way she used language so frequently used by unscrupulous politicians, and which is used effectively to convince the listener of an apparent existential problem where none exists.

So her “hoards”of illegal immigrants amounted to just a tad over 44000 that arrived in small boats this year. In total 55320 so called “illegals” arrived in the U.K. seeking asylum.

These numbers should be pigeon feed to a country like the U.K. and the way they are dealt with. But like just about everything else the Tory government’s incompetence has assured that the whole process has broken down and got totally out of hand.

We are now spending £7million a day to house these people. Just think how many HO civil servants could be employed to expedite matters! But no - for whatever reason the Home Office has chosen not to take this matter in hand, and has presided over a situation over which they have lost any rational control.

I can’t remember who said it: it might have been on a Sky News news review or a podcast ( I think it was the former) but someone said they’d noticed that she'd had a makeover and also that she was using Trumpian language and they thought she’d got some sort of advisor helping her: possibly American. They pointed out that she looked as though she’d had hair extensions etc. This was several weeks ago. It seems that the more Conservative MP’s get disgraced and sent to the back benches the more support they seem to get. I bet Truss, who still believes her economics were right and has her supporters, is fuming.

Many people believed leaving the EU would solve all our problems. Now all will be well as soon as we have shipped a few 'illegals' to Rwanda.

NicknRobinson's question on Today:

When you're on the radio and the television, Suella Braverman, you talk about substance, you talk quite reasonably. When I ask you questions about tough language, you sort of laugh at me as if I'm the one talking about a Conservative
death wish. "You've condemned the leader of your party as uncertain, weak and lacking in leadership, you've said he never had any intention of keeping his promises,
you've accused him of betrayal and wishful thinking. "You've attacked lawyers, judges, civil servants, the head of the Metropolitan Police, people who are worried about deaths in Gaza, you've attacked the
homeless, you've attacked migrants as being part of an invasion. "Isn't the truth you're a headline-grabber who does it by spreading poison, even
within your own party?"

Just because she says what some people think ,it doesn't make it right.
I believe her main driver is her ambition to be Tory Leader and she will say anything that may give give her support.Another disaster waiting to happen.

dragonfly46

Chocolatelovinggran

Suella does seem to be a one- trick pony, doesn't she? There's lots of talk about one issue, but if she is bidding to be the next PM ( how many is that, Maybee?!) then perhaps she'd like to expand a little on how much more successful she would be leading the country. What are her thoughts on policing?
Education? The economy? The NHS? Who knows? Does she know?
I fear another Liz Truss..

Does anyone know what the Labour Party’s policies are for any of the above, in particular the illegal immigrants. They say a lot about what should not be done but I haven’t actually heard any new policies.

Which immigrants are illegal?

foxie48

Suella is a model of right wing populism, find issues, preferably people, to scapegoat and then say things that appeal to the worst in people. It's been successful in other countries in drawing people together politically that would normally be opposed. My concern is too many tory MPs will not seek re-selection leaving local conservative parties free to select right wing candidates. Just look at who the membership wanted as leader, they'd probably go for SB if they had to vote again. A two party system like ours relies on having strong opposition that keeps the govt on its toes. The thought of a Govt led by Suella fills me with absolute horror. She may say what some people think but that doesn't make what she says "right", "just", humane" or worthy of a British parliament.

I saw a poll which claimed that Badenoch is the most popular Conservative MP. The thought of that waste of space becoming leader of the Conservative Party, if anything, fill me with even more horror.

Germanshepherdsmum

I believe she says what many people think.

There isn’t the evidence to support that view though Germanshepherdsmum, not according to the polls. Migration is not at the top of most of the electorate’s priorities.

I believe she says what many people think.

Suella is a model of right wing populism, find issues, preferably people, to scapegoat and then say things that appeal to the worst in people. It's been successful in other countries in drawing people together politically that would normally be opposed. My concern is too many tory MPs will not seek re-selection leaving local conservative parties free to select right wing candidates. Just look at who the membership wanted as leader, they'd probably go for SB if they had to vote again. A two party system like ours relies on having strong opposition that keeps the govt on its toes. The thought of a Govt led by Suella fills me with absolute horror. She may say what some people think but that doesn't make what she says "right", "just", humane" or worthy of a British parliament.

dragonfly46

Chocolatelovinggran

Suella does seem to be a one- trick pony, doesn't she? There's lots of talk about one issue, but if she is bidding to be the next PM ( how many is that, Maybee?!) then perhaps she'd like to expand a little on how much more successful she would be leading the country. What are her thoughts on policing?
Education? The economy? The NHS? Who knows? Does she know?
I fear another Liz Truss..

Does anyone know what the Labour Party’s policies are for any of the above, in particular the illegal immigrants. They say a lot about what should not be done but I haven’t actually heard any new policies.

Go onto the labour site. Plenty there.

dragonfly46

Chocolatelovinggran

Suella does seem to be a one- trick pony, doesn't she? There's lots of talk about one issue, but if she is bidding to be the next PM ( how many is that, Maybee?!) then perhaps she'd like to expand a little on how much more successful she would be leading the country. What are her thoughts on policing?
Education? The economy? The NHS? Who knows? Does she know?
I fear another Liz Truss..

Does anyone know what the Labour Party’s policies are for any of the above, in particular the illegal immigrants. They say a lot about what should not be done but I haven’t actually heard any new policies.

I’m unclear what Labour’s plans have to do with this thread dragonfly?

Chocolatelovinggran

Suella does seem to be a one- trick pony, doesn't she? There's lots of talk about one issue, but if she is bidding to be the next PM ( how many is that, Maybee?!) then perhaps she'd like to expand a little on how much more successful she would be leading the country. What are her thoughts on policing?
Education? The economy? The NHS? Who knows? Does she know?
I fear another Liz Truss..

Does anyone know what the Labour Party’s policies are for any of the above, in particular the illegal immigrants. They say a lot about what should not be done but I haven’t actually heard any new policies.

I am fairly sure it wont be the Tories who pose any threat, they tend to implode after an election defeat, they seem to have imploded prior to an election defeat this time but that's by the by. The threat will come from elsewhere, possibly the reform party.

She is doing the media rounds this morning. Shadow of the way Truss behaved before her leadership bid.

I also wonder what she has promised Jenrick. Their actions do seem coordinated.

Suella does seem to be a one- trick pony, doesn't she? There's lots of talk about one issue, but if she is bidding to be the next PM ( how many is that, Maybee?!) then perhaps she'd like to expand a little on how much more successful she would be leading the country. What are her thoughts on policing?
Education? The economy? The NHS? Who knows? Does she know?
I fear another Liz Truss..

Germanshepherdsmum

Cumulatively they are far from chicken feed Wwm.

They wouldn’t be cumulative if the Tories had a handle on it from the beginning, but they are so utterly incompetent they let the situation get out of hand and now are like beached whales wondering how to get back into the water.

Just listen to the covid enquiry and then understand their mindset.

Cumulatively they are far from chicken feed Wwm.

Wwm2 I agree with you. I wonder what today will bring?

I was struck by Braverman’s speech yesterday at the way she used language so frequently used by unscrupulous politicians, and which is used effectively to convince the listener of an apparent existential problem where none exists.

So her “hoards”of illegal immigrants amounted to just a tad over 44000 that arrived in small boats this year. In total 55320 so called “illegals” arrived in the U.K. seeking asylum.

These numbers should be pigeon feed to a country like the U.K. and the way they are dealt with. But like just about everything else the Tory government’s incompetence has assured that the whole process has broken down and got totally out of hand.

We are now spending £7million a day to house these people. Just think how many HO civil servants could be employed to expedite matters! But no - for whatever reason the Home Office has chosen not to take this matter in hand, and has presided over a situation over which they have lost any rational control.

maddyone

And just how much money have they wasted on the unworkable Rwanda scheme?

They aren’t disclosing are they!

We know at least £140 million for nothing so far plus expenses on getting the whole sorry policy up and (not) running.

There are also associate costs which they are disclosing.

I note that this intake by Rwanda is up to 100 asylum seekers😄😄. Hardly make a pinprick in Bravermans “hoards” of illegals will it.

The latest plan is for Rwanda to keep “successful” applicants/refugees, and to send the unsuccessful ones back to the U.K. alongside (an unspecified number) Rwanda asylum seekers.

Wonder who negotiated this bit of nonsense - could it be James Cleverly (or Jimmy Dimly as Crace dubbed him)?

And just how much money have they wasted on the unworkable Rwanda scheme?

If we get another PM won’t they get the lifetime protection, PM pension etc etc? How many short term failed/disgraced PM’s is this country having to pay for? Plus they’ll all lining up at the Cenotaph every year. There won’t be room for all of them….(this is getting farcical…)

Has Sunak done something astute?

Statement from the Rwandan government

“It has always been important to both Rwanda and the UK that our rule of law partnership meets the highest standards of international law, and it places obligations on both the UK and Rwanda to act lawfully. Without lawful behaviour by the UK, Rwanda would not be able to continue with the Migration and Economic Development Partnership.”

My reading of this is that any moves by Braverman, Jenrick and their ilk to move the UK outside international law would thus negate the whole treaty, and has thus cut the ground from under them.

Clever, if Sunak had anything to do with it.

I don’t think it will work, because I think the far-right ideologies are too far gone for rational behaviour, mind.

(Plus, I’m not sure Sunak is smart enough to have had any thing to do with this).

Sir Chris Bryant was on the money.
“And can he just tell us, has he resigned because he thinks that this policy doesn't stand an earthly chance of working, or has he resigned because he's embarrassed that a British government would actually put ministers above the law?

"In other words, has he resigned because he thinks this policy is crazy or because he doesn't think it's crazy enough?"