Will the right win and get rid of our rights?

Here you go Oreo! It was very easy to find.

policymogul.com/key-updates/27360/yvette-cooper-illegal-migration-bill-statement-and-labour-s-five-point-plan-to-reform-the-asylum-system

I’ve never seen a list of their names before MayBee70, obviously I knew the high profile ones but not the whole shebang. I wasn’t impressed by them. Given that they are just one of the factions, they have been given far more air time than they deserve in my opinion, and I don’t see any obvious indication that they will be the leaders of the Tories in opposition.

But the ERG have always been exposed. It’s just that they’ve been a bit quiet recently. Maybe they should change their name to the Rwanda Research Group?I’m beginning to think it was a dead cat strategy because they all knew everyone was going to vote for it. They are making progress in some ways but not in ways that grab the headlines or pleases the racists and xenophobes. Sunak looked far too comfortable today to be a PM thinking he was going to be toppled. What they are doing is jousting for the positions they will have in opposition. Looking forward to the next Rest is Politics so I can make sense of it.

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Oreo

I see the bill got through the first time.What interests me tho is not what this government does as they’ll be out next year but what the LP will do about stopping the boats.Haven’t heard what Starmer has to say on this apart from rubbishing the tories as you would expect. The population wants to know what they will do, but the worry is they haven’t got a clue either.

I can’t believe that there are still people who parrot what they seem to be reading in certain media outlets, when all they have to do is to go to the appropriate web site and it is all there for reading.

It’s a deflection technique.
What interested me most about tonight’s vote was that as the votes were confirmed for the Ayes, Nos and abstentions, so the whole of the ERG is now exposed, and we know exactly who they are - it makes me wonder why they have had so much power, when there are less than forty of them. On that basis, perhaps the right of the right aren’t going to win anything at all despite the noise they make.

Oreo

I see the bill got through the first time.What interests me tho is not what this government does as they’ll be out next year but what the LP will do about stopping the boats.Haven’t heard what Starmer has to say on this apart from rubbishing the tories as you would expect. The population wants to know what they will do, but the worry is they haven’t got a clue either.

I can’t believe that there are still people who parrot what they seem to be reading in certain media outlets, when all they have to do is to go to the appropriate web site and it is all there for reading.

I see the bill got through the first time.What interests me tho is not what this government does as they’ll be out next year but what the LP will do about stopping the boats.Haven’t heard what Starmer has to say on this apart from rubbishing the tories as you would expect. The population wants to know what they will do, but the worry is they haven’t got a clue either.

I think when you have a government which is prepared to pass legislation to say that black is white, which, should it become law I presume the Supreme Court would be bound to uphold then the ability to have recourse to a higher, international, court is a necessity.

Thankfully, as neither the Rwanda fiasco nor withdrawal from the ECHR is in the tory manifesto, and this government is running out of time, the Lords will be able to delay Bills on these issues until this appalling government's time is up. Whereupon it all falls.

You mean people like Braverman who Johnson appointed as Attorney General because he wanted someone who would bend the rules. Or ignore them?

Parliament, as usual.

And who will be responsible for deciding what the new legislation will be?

As I said, the existing legislation could be replaced by something less open to abuse.

Does anyone need a reminder of the protections given to us all by the ECHR? I am happy to list them.

Removing the UK from the protection afforded by the ECHR due to the alleged actions of a few crooked lawyers is rather extreme. To put it politely.

I would support there being no appeal beyond our own Supreme Court.

may not mat

In my case, since I dont know enough about it all, I mat want to keep all the current laws in ECHR for all I know[probably not but I dont know for sure].

It isnt necessarily about what in is the current ECHR law itself, it is about having Uk control.

Some people in the Uk[and that probably includes me] would like Uk control over the laws.

You don’t make ‘piles’ of money out of Legal Aid 1 assure you.

So many cases approved by the Court of Human Rights were wrong. I know if no one with a good word to say about them. Even if you don’t like I’m a Celebriry, listen to what Nigel had to say, if one word of that was untrue he would be on the front page of every newspaper and on every news channel, he would be sued. As someone who knows a lawyer there every word is true.They have made their piles though.

I guess it has the word European in it and we can’t have that, can we?

fancythat

*Why do UK tories resent the European Court of human rights?
ECHR: Why UK Tories Resent European Court of Human Rights ...
Why do some British lawmakers oppose the ECHR? Politicians who campaigned for Brexit say “taking back control” from the EU meant having complete judicial sovereignty — giving UK courts the last word on matters of national law.3 Oct 2023*

Seems simple enough to me.

There was nothing in the Brexit campaign about leaving the ECHR, which has nothing at all to do with the EU.

Nothing about detaching the UK from any other international institutions.

Brexiters might think it's a brilliant idea to completely isolate the UK from the rest of the world of the world but nobody with any sense does.

*Why do UK tories resent the European Court of human rights?
ECHR: Why UK Tories Resent European Court of Human Rights ...
Why do some British lawmakers oppose the ECHR? Politicians who campaigned for Brexit say “taking back control” from the EU meant having complete judicial sovereignty — giving UK courts the last word on matters of national law.3 Oct 2023*

Seems simple enough to me.

The last 7 or so years have, politically, been like turkeys voting for Christmas…

I wonder which human rights people are willing to give up?
The right not to be tortured? The right to life, not to be a slave- to name some.

Which would you go without?

Or is it only “those other people” who would loose their rights?

It’s the thin end of the wedge, don’t be tricked into giving away our rights because of the bigoted voices in the media and right wing politics. Deal with fraudsters yes, but leave our rights alone!

It’s something which now lends itself to being misused. One shady lawyer gets struck off (assuming they were qualified in the first place) and another is waiting to invent stories - a criminal offence. I would repeal the whole thing with contemporaneous replacement with legislation more suited to today’s world.

Well if you want something not abused don’t let the Tories invent in GSM they are the masters of abuse if any kind of law