Prince Harry loses and wins

Whether you think PH invades others privacies or not isn’t what this case was about, some people seem to miss that point. PH didn’t hack anyone’s phones or hound anyone’s friends or jump out with a battery of cameras in order to sell papers.

CoolCoco

The fact that MGN offered to settle out of court indicated an admission of guilt and a cover up. I don’t think Harry was in it for the money. He wanted to show that phone hacking was wrong . Whatever PH says in his books isn’t the point, he hasn’t hacked anyone’s phones.

The Mirror always admitted to some of the cases - hence the offer to settle years ago - It's just that they didn't agree that every negative story about Harry was due to hacking. Some of the articles were shown to have come from press releases and interviews that Harry himself gave

Harry seems very keen to protect his own privacy but doesn't care when he intrudes on the privacy of others - especially his own family

Annie it is the jury who decide whether someone is guilty in a criminal trial. The judge then has to pronounce sentence and explain his/her reasons for the sentence decided upon. Years ago of course the sentence for murder was death. Nowadays it is life imprisonment with the judge deciding how long the guilty person must be imprisoned before being able to apply for parole, or indeed whether the crime is such that parole can never be considered. The judge does not decide whether someone is guilty or not.

The judge sums up the case Bodach

Agree, not about whether the king is racist, but did the judge not hear anything about the King being racist?

Anniebach

Judges believed guilty those who were innocent and hanged

Surely, in murder cases such as these, it was the juries - not the judges - who believed these individuals to be guilty?

This case wasn’t about whether the king is or isn’t racist.

Anniebach

No one has said the judge task was to consider whether Harry made allegations of racism about his father,

I do not believe the judge avoided this breaking news, may have refused to read newspapers but never heard ‘the King is
racist’ in conversation? no i don’t believe it

It was irrelevant to this case.

No one has said the judge task was to consider whether Harry made allegations of racism about his father,

I do not believe the judge avoided this breaking news, may have refused to read newspapers but never heard ‘the King is
racist’ in conversation? no i don’t believe it

In a contested case like this, the Judge will give a written Judgement setting out the reasons for their decisions. That’s the reason OS was referred to. Additionally other witnesses gave evidence that Morgan was aware his journalists were hacking. The Court focus is on the matter before them, so it wasn’t this Judges task to consider whether Harry made allegations of racism about his father.

Doubtless, Harry and Ms Markle will be confecting a screenplay out of this for another "in depth" interview with Oprah W. I wonder if Oprah consciously practices that choreographed "Oh.My.God!" expression in a mirror? Or maybe gets Meghan to give her acting lessons?
An unholy trinity, for sure, but the various media production companies will be lining up with their cheque books......

But Scobie wasn’t the only witness to testify that Morgan knew about the phone hacking.

Who knows. I remember Lord Denning saying he never read newspapers and there was that famous case years ago when the judge asked who The Beatles were.

Would claims that the King was racist have escaped the judges notice

It’s normal to do that Annie. Judges often say they found X to be/not to be a rational witness - part of the process of explaining how they arrived at their decision.

It’s also quite usual for judges not to read newspapers and I wouldn’t be surprised if this one had heard nothing of Scobie outside the courtroom.

growstuff

Chestnut

eazybee

I accept that hacking phones to sell information for money is illegal; betraying confidences to sell for money is not.

To me they are equally reprehensible.

You could argue that Harry 'hacked' private conversations with friends and family, which is exactly the same crime. Private conversations which were never intended for public distribution can be stolen in more ways than one.

I'm fairly sure that passing on information from private conversations isn't the same crime. There are laws covering telephone and digital communications, but not private conversations.

It's not a crime in law but it is the same crime morally. Distributing details of private conversations for the purpose of making money is wrong either way.

Why did the judge need to speak of his belief in a witness ?

Yes Iam64 I realise that the judge thought that OS was truthful and reliable in the evidence he gave in court, and the fact that OS has not been either reliable or truthful in other situations is not for the judge to consider in this context. It seems a pity to me that OS was thought to be the best witness in this case because we know he is not truthful.
The judge can only consider the evidence brought before him or her in the court.
I think it good that the case was brought because hacking phones is illegal and should not be tolerated. I’m unsure why this was a civil case and not a criminal case since phone hacking is illegal. The hacking of the phones of the family of Millie Dowling was appalling, Prince Harry, not so much (though still illegal.)

My opinion of Harry's relationship with his family is not relevant here. What I do think is that he is to be applauded for battling on with this; we must not let our current thoughts on Harry and Meghan detract from the dreadful intrusion he suffered as a young man, the stories about girlfriends and such. Piers Morgan is a nasty bitter man, obsessed with Harry and Meghan, and I am glad he has been proven to be a liar as many of us thought. Harry could easily have settled out of court, but this is not about the money and for that we should thank him. He and Elton John and another (can't remember who) are pursuing this to the end. The truth needs to be outed, not bought with out of court settlements, however easy an option they are.

So, from me, it is credit where it is due, and I am grateful to Harry for lifting the lid on this disgrace.

They happened

Yes, sadly. But those were rare occasions. Nothing is perfect.
I did use the phrase "Great majority".

Judges believed guilty those who were innocent and hanged

My faith is based on years of experience of our Courts.
Maddyone - the Judge decided OS was reliable and truthful in the evidence he gave on this occasion. He wasn’t making sweeping judgements on OS in any other setting 😊

I think the phrase "Nobs stick together" is very unfortunate. It implies our justice system is crooked. I hope and believe that the great majority is not.
I have very little sympathy for Prince Harry after what he has done, with no thought for the hurt he has caused.
But I do believe there has been phone hacking, etc. and it's vile.
Newspaper editors should be ashamed.

Iam64

nanna8

He was never going to lose his case was he? He could make up anything he wanted. Nobs stick together.

Suggesting our Judges aren’t independent is just wrong

Glad you have faith. Not my judges.