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My big political wish (well one of them) for 2024

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Whitewavemark2 Mon 01-Jan-24 08:12:18

After the next election there will be massive political reform, that sweeps away the corruption, cronyism and undemocratic practices that have bedevilled our politics during, in particular, the past few years.

The shameful use of the the honours system must disappear and along with it the House of Lords as it stands and the introduction of a democratic second chamber.

Ilovecheese Fri 05-Jan-24 19:25:08

varian

Please vote for the Green Party if they are the best placed to defeat the Tories in your constituency.

Otherwise please vote LibDem or Labour, whichever is the strongest in your area.

Our top priority must be to defeat the corrupt self-serving Conservatives

The Tories will never win in my area.
That is why I feel free to vote Green.
if it was otherwise I would vote as you suggest.

varian Fri 05-Jan-24 19:12:47

It is astonishing how many people who previously said they would never vote LibDem actually do when they are presented with the choice of a good LibDem candidate and yet another useless Tory.

We had a by-election here last year and our constituency changed from having a Tory MP with a 19 thousand majority to a LibDem MP with an 11 thousand majority.

Galaxy Fri 05-Jan-24 18:49:23

I would never vote lib dem but certainly now I would br waiting for clearer information on Ed Davey and the post office issue.

Mollygo Fri 05-Jan-24 18:16:57

What we need is for people to vote, not sit at home and waste their votes or use excuses for not voting.

It’s no good complaining which party gets in, or doesn’t, or whether the outcome of a referendum is right or not if you didn’t vote.
Brexit happened because over 1,000,000 more people turned out to vote leave than those who voted to remain.
We’ll never know if all those who didn’t vote would have voted remain or leave.

varian Fri 05-Jan-24 18:05:40

Please vote for the Green Party if they are the best placed to defeat the Tories in your constituency.

Otherwise please vote LibDem or Labour, whichever is the strongest in your area.

Our top priority must be to defeat the corrupt self-serving Conservatives

Ilovecheese Fri 05-Jan-24 17:54:20

Not only the Liberal Democrats, I don't think. I believe the Green party want PR as well. I am most likely going to vote for them.

varian Fri 05-Jan-24 16:22:27

I would like to see the UK transformed into a democracy - where a government could only be elected with the support of a majority of those who voted at the general election.

The UK is one of only two uindemocratic countries in Europe. The only other country which uses First Past The Post to elect its government is Belarus.

At the last general election Boris Johnson's Conservative Party won a "landslide" majority of 80 seats on the basis of only. 43.6% of thew votes. 56.4% of those who voted were opposed to them. They were able to do exactly what they wanted for up to five years - and what did we get - a lurch to the right amid chaos, gross incompetence and corruption.

We need electoral reform. An overwhelming majority of delegates at the last Labour Party conference voted for a change to PR. Yet Keir Starmer says "it's not a priority".

The way to show him that it certainly is a priority is to vote Liberal Democrat in as many seats as possible.

Proportional representation is truly democratic. It does often lead to coalition governments which are better able to plan long term as they have majority support.

Mollygo Fri 05-Jan-24 15:29:15

There will never be a "one nation" party - there will never be one nation, but we did at least function at one time in a more integrated way, when we had politicians who were more competent, statesman-like, and not quite so obviously self-serving, egotistical, and devious.

Or if they were, there wasn’t the internet available to make it clear exactly how much that applied.

Dickens Fri 05-Jan-24 13:52:09

Siope

Less than one week into the new year, and already I never want to hear 'delivering for the British people' again.

I am so with you on this.

And, it's the way that politicians mouth this platitude - with a feigned look of seriousness, meant to convince us I'm sure that they respect the opinion of "the British people".

It's clichéd, patronising and insincere. The "British people" are very divided, economically, socially and politically - and the majority did not vote for this government.

My wish is that the next government - whichever it is- acknowledges the fact that we are now more divided than ever before, looks at the causes of the division, and attempts to, at least, start to reconcile them.

There will never be a "one nation" party - there will never be one nation, but we did at least function at one time in a more integrated way, when we had politicians who were more competent, statesman-like, and not quite so obviously self-serving, egotistical, and devious.

Siope Fri 05-Jan-24 12:35:41

Maizie 👏👏👏

Grantanow Fri 05-Jan-24 11:33:11

That the incoming Labour government will comprise honest and diligent Ministers and MPs in the mould of Clem Attlee, Ernest Bevin and others of yesteryear and achieve at least three terms like Tony Blair with his three rock solid majorities.

MaizieD Fri 05-Jan-24 11:26:34

Let's be fair, siope. He is delivering something for the British people.

Lengthening hospital waiting lists, polluted watercourses and beaches, crumbling public services, poverty...

It's just that a great many British people don't want what he's delivering...

Siope Thu 04-Jan-24 16:33:33

Less than one week into the new year, and already I never want to hear 'delivering for the British people' again.

Katie59 Thu 04-Jan-24 15:35:57

Google is very useful it makes it easy to find factual and historic information as background, it’s only then you can see how badly the UK has been governed in recent decades.

Logic kills unrealistic aims, for instance Brexit, those who wanted to leave EU they campaigned that the UK could dictate terms and “cherry pick” the agreement and other countries would flock to our shores.
Voters believed that.

If you leave a club or any other partnership you don’t ask them to give you special concessions, you leave and paddle your own canoe. There is no logic in giving up an agreement with 50% of your customers, the EU called our bluff we got nothing

Well done Brexiteers.

Mollygo Thu 04-Jan-24 15:02:42

Those that look further . . . than Google. There are so many lies, exaggerations, and truths which may vary, around at the moment that there is no guarantee than anything you read will make you “well informed”.

Katie59 Thu 04-Jan-24 14:25:17

Those that look further than the latest scare story in the Guardian, Daily Mail or even the BBC.

Mollygo Thu 04-Jan-24 13:13:42

Katie59

Well I formed public

Most voters get their information from the media, that is exaggerated, dramatized and biased, it’s certainly not balanced so a distorted view of issues gets established in their minds.

Exactly. So where is this well informed public going to come from?

DaisyAnneReturns Thu 04-Jan-24 10:08:26

Katie59

Well I formed public

Most voters get their information from the media, that is exaggerated, dramatized and biased, it’s certainly not balanced so a distorted view of issues gets established in their minds.

Indeed

Katie59 Thu 04-Jan-24 09:45:54

Well I formed public

Most voters get their information from the media, that is exaggerated, dramatized and biased, it’s certainly not balanced so a distorted view of issues gets established in their minds.

Mollygo Wed 03-Jan-24 23:42:38

DaisyAnneReturns

Because this Givern

I'm pinching this wish from elsewhere:

1. A good Goverment
2. A robust media that holds Government to account.
3. A well informed public.

(One out of three would help)

I like them DAR
I’d certainly like my idea of a good Government, but whether that would match anyone else’s . . .
A robust media that holds itself and the government to account without more leaks than NW Water.

A well informed public? How will that be decided?
The public thought they were well informed about the need for leaving the EU so they voted to do just that.
Others members of the public thought they were so well informed about the outcome of that referendum, that they didn’t bother to vote.
The public thought they were well informed about Covid-and still made up their own minds to wear/ not to wear masks.

Frenchgalinspain Wed 03-Jan-24 17:29:53

Mollygo

I find it very depressing. I agree with the sweeping away of cronyism and undemocratic practices, which have been, and will continue to be, much more evident since the proliferation of the use of the internet.
Thirteen years of Labour, who started by blaming the Conservatives for the mess they had to clear up, but then did things which were detrimental to my DH’s pension on retirement, and we are obviously not totally satisfactory, resulting in their losing the next election.
Followed by 13 years of Conservatives which haven’t done anything to improve things and some things which definitely didn’t.
Brexit- for which I hold the Tories and all those who voted for it or didn’t bother to vote against it responsible.
Covid-not so much. There is no evidence that a Labour government would’ve managed it any better or not been just as guilty of mismanagement of orders and payments.
The next government, which I hope will be Labour will as always have to sort out the mess left by the previous government, but my wish is that the sorting out solves the housing crisis, the national health service crisis, and the small boats crisis.
Sorting out the House of Lords, whilst important, comes lower down my list than all those three

Though I am French and live with my Spanish husband 32 years in The Madrid Capital, I do read The Guardian as well as other English newspapers and magazines. Also, there are approx. 500.000 British people living in Spain either on Pensions or teaching English or who are married to Spaniards or other E.U. citizens.

Johnson reminds me of Trump ! They could pass for brothers. Both are repulsive.

The present Prime Minister of Indian heritage and his buddy Bravermann and their plans to deport asylum seekers to Rwanada, Africa is simply sadistic cruelty. If the U.K. does not want to provide Asylum, they could deport to their own countries. NOT a 3rd country in Africa.

I know the British people I know, are 100% against Brexit and it has made their lives more complicated. NOT impossible however, alot more complicated with bureaucratic issues and travelling to visit families.

It is very sad.

I would definitely vote for the Labour Team (though I cannot obviously as I am not British).

This present government called The Tories are use-less and dysfunctional.

As you can see from my photo attached, I think the Tories and Trump are cut from the same cloth !!! Time to flush them out of the political arena and have them serve time behind bars for lies, corruption, racisim, cruelty to migrants, ruining the health care system, illegal activites against the population amongst other crimes against humanity.

All our best wishes ..

Katie59 Wed 03-Jan-24 08:59:54

The Scots can pay for their own referendum and benefit from the result. If they benefit from independance the best of luck to them. With a proper land border they can join the EU then they will be bound by EU rules instead of the evil English rules.

DaisyAnneReturns Wed 03-Jan-24 00:18:35

Because this Givern

I'm pinching this wish from elsewhere:

1. A good Goverment
2. A robust media that holds Government to account.
3. A well informed public.

(One out of three would help)

Casdon Tue 02-Jan-24 21:43:14

It’s a blind alley to wish for independence for Scotland in 2024 surely? I thought the thread was about about political events that we wished for 2024, not longer term aspirations.

Practically, I think we will have a change of government, but if the election doesn’t take place until the autumn there will be no time for anything to change for any of us this year - other than a sense of relief that we will be rid of the worst period of government the UK has known in our lifetimes.

Anniel Tue 02-Jan-24 21:15:59

I have read this thread with interest. Go Scotland! The following tells us the SNP story. Looks like Scottish voters should vote SNP. Who would vote otherwise.
www.snp.org/scottish-taxpayers-get-the-best-value-in-the-uk/