Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

merlotgran

MaizieD

I can't help thinking that if the freight shipping lines just didn't use Suez and the Red Sea the houthis wouldn't have any shipping to prey on.

Pull the rug out from underneath their feet...

I know it would be costly, but if the countries willing to spend £billions on weaponry spent it instead on subsidising the extra fuel costs 'world trade' would adjust to the longer waiting times and carry on as before...

I don't think military action is going to do anything but inflame the situation.

That would mean the western economy capitulating to a terrorists group.

How can it pull the rug out from under their feet when they’ll just implement more terror by other means.

Then what?

The Suez Canal only carries a small proportion of world trade goods.

However, would the Egyptian economy go into freefall. Asian economies would be affected as well as those in all of Europe.

MaizieD

I can't help thinking that if the freight shipping lines just didn't use Suez and the Red Sea the houthis wouldn't have any shipping to prey on.

Pull the rug out from underneath their feet...

I know it would be costly, but if the countries willing to spend £billions on weaponry spent it instead on subsidising the extra fuel costs 'world trade' would adjust to the longer waiting times and carry on as before...

I don't think military action is going to do anything but inflame the situation.

That would mean the western economy capitulating to a terrorists group.

How can it pull the rug out from under their feet when they’ll just implement more terror by other means.

Then what?

I can't help thinking that if the freight shipping lines just didn't use Suez and the Red Sea the houthis wouldn't have any shipping to prey on.

Pull the rug out from underneath their feet...

I know it would be costly, but if the countries willing to spend £billions on weaponry spent it instead on subsidising the extra fuel costs 'world trade' would adjust to the longer waiting times and carry on as before...

I don't think military action is going to do anything but inflame the situation.

knspol

An actor on the Sunday Laura Kuensberg show commented that we take action when shipping routes are disrupted but not when thousands are murdered in Gaza. Made me think.

What action did he expect us to take in a conflict between neighbouring countries?

As for piracy in international waters on shipping, I'm sorry, but that is a world problem.

Another celeb with an opinion which he thinks we should hear?

Oreo

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny I am both appalled and dismayed by your defence of Hamas whilst systematically attacking Israel at every opportunity.

Did you see the Palestinian Protesters in London at the weekend?

Their new chant is Yemen Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around they are pro Houthi piracy…

It really is appalling to see any poster defending hamas, the houthis, Iran and so on.I guess on an open forum anyone from anywhere with an agenda can come on and say just about anything.
Anti Semitism is making a big comeback, or did it ever really go away?

Many Jews dislike Israel and the Israeli government.Are you saying they, and this man are anti-semitic?
www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-officials-should-be-judged-and-jailed-in-the-hague-for-gaza-crimes-jewish-rabbi/3104253

An actor on the Sunday Laura Kuensberg show commented that we take action when shipping routes are disrupted but not when thousands are murdered in Gaza. Made me think.

As Whitewavemark2 says "Yes you are right, but I think it goes further than that. There is a new global alignment taking place with the western influence diminishing."

It is hard for anybody, whether a person or a nation, to come to terms with diminishing influence. But sometimes you just have to accept it, and I think we have to accept that we no longer "rule the waves" and find a new place for ourselves in the world order.

Anti Semitism has never gone away

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny I am both appalled and dismayed by your defence of Hamas whilst systematically attacking Israel at every opportunity.

Did you see the Palestinian Protesters in London at the weekend?

Their new chant is Yemen Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around they are pro Houthi piracy…

It really is appalling to see any poster defending hamas, the houthis, Iran and so on.I guess on an open forum anyone from anywhere with an agenda can come on and say just about anything.
Anti Semitism is making a big comeback, or did it ever really go away?

Babamaman

Except the houthis won’t talk to anyone and have nothing to negotiate - they are murdering the yemenites! Destroyed the country - impossible to talk to murderers

The Saudis have been murdering Yemenis for decades. We still talk to them, even our King does.
The Saudi-led coalition's bombing of civilian areas has received condemnation from the international community.[140] According to the Yemen Data Project, the bombing campaign has killed or injured an estimated 19,196 civilians as of March 2022

Cossy

I’m just saddened by the outcome!

It’s funny how we choose to attack and why, always seems to involve trade and/oil!

What about the poor Afghanistan’s we left to rot with the Taliban and Ukraine with Russia and as for the poor Palestinians? Plus everyone else we “choose” to ignore?

I don’t side with or support terrorist, but surely enough is enough.

I know it’s impossible to negotiate with terrorists and I know I’m being simplistic and naive but I simply don’t believe Wars solve anything really!

A couple of things here Cossy, we had no choice but to leave Afghanistan once the US under President Trump had agreed to pull out.Am not sure that we should have been there for so long anyway.
As to Ukraine, we haven’t pulled support for them in their fight back against Russia, in fact support has just been stepped up.
As to poor Palestinians, it’s not up to us and we have no say in what happens.
Wars often do solve something, but a few do not I agree.

Except the houthis won’t talk to anyone and have nothing to negotiate - they are murdering the yemenites! Destroyed the country - impossible to talk to murderers

Glorianny Houthis are definitely guilty of piracy

Israel has tried many things to stop weaponry getting into Gaza as they knew that they would be used against Israel and its inhabitants.

Hamas managed to prioritise stockpiling of weapons over and above providing for the civilian population of Gaza which elected them. These weapons are still being fired at Israel on a daily basis.

Two Palestinians have been arrested today after killing one 70 year old woman and injuring 17 in a car-ramming and stabbing terror attack in Ra’anana.

Is it in wonder that Israel has felt constantly under threat since it’s inception?

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny I am both appalled and dismayed by your defence of Hamas whilst systematically attacking Israel at every opportunity.

Did you see the Palestinian Protesters in London at the weekend?

Their new chant is Yemen Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around they are pro Houthi piracy…

So were you supportive of Israeli piracy to cut off Gaza?

Yemen has been in turmoil for years.
Many of us have been trying to stop our country supplying the Saudis with the ability to bomb Yemen for a long time. I don't support violence but if (as is happening) merchant vessels stop using that route that's an economic factor which might change attitudes.

I wonder though? Is there a set period when a group of terrorists becomes an accepted government? If so how long? After all that's how Israel was established. If the Houthis control part of Yemen are they still terrorists or like the Israelis, become a government?

It seems that we are America's best friend when it comes to military support but trade agreements are a different matter!

Corbyn was present at a wreath laying for Black September
terrorists in 2014.

1972 Black September Terrorists murdered members of the
Israeli Olympic Team

Visgirl
100% on that.

Glorianny I am both appalled and dismayed by your defence of Hamas whilst systematically attacking Israel at every opportunity.

Did you see the Palestinian Protesters in London at the weekend?

Their new chant is Yemen Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around they are pro Houthi piracy…

I was appalled to see pro-Palestinian demonstrators chanting pro-Houthi slogans.

I’m just saddened by the outcome!

It’s funny how we choose to attack and why, always seems to involve trade and/oil!

What about the poor Afghanistan’s we left to rot with the Taliban and Ukraine with Russia and as for the poor Palestinians? Plus everyone else we “choose” to ignore?

I don’t side with or support terrorist, but surely enough is enough.

I know it’s impossible to negotiate with terrorists and I know I’m being simplistic and naive but I simply don’t believe Wars solve anything really!

orly

Where are the EU countries on this? Nowhere to be seen as usual.

Germany and the Netherlands signed a statement of support. France and Italy disagree with air strikes.

You will no doubt find a difference in all the other EU countries.

Where are the EU countries on this? Nowhere to be seen as usual.

But the same applies to all wars Glorianny. You can’t just pick and choose which bits you believe. And if you’re saying they’re lying (see above). . .

Mollygo

I’ve mostly ignored this thread, but reading this comment . . .
People say a lot of things GG13. It doesn't mean they will happen or they are even a possibility.
Glorianny, you are accusing Hamas and their supporters of lying about their own actions- current or the future.
What makes you believe they are lying?
(You don’t have to answer)

It isn't a question of truth or lying, it's a question of reality. Can Hamas wipe all Jews from the planet? Well a well organised third Reich didn't manage it. It's just words.
Why focus on what is being said rather than focussing on why people join. That's far more important.

People say a lot of things GG13. It doesn't mean they will happen or they are even a possibility.

Goodness, this isn't about New Year's resolutions to lose a few pounds.
What a group such as Hamas says has to be taken seriously and at face value, otherwise there is no basis at all for moving forward.