Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

Callistemon21

It was sorted years ago, GrannyGravy

Past grievances being dragged up do not help with sorting out present conflicts.

Totally agree

Unfortunately Glorianny has only got past grievances to support her views.

It was sorted years ago, GrannyGravy

Past grievances being dragged up do not help with sorting out present conflicts.

Israel is defending its right to exist.

Hamas has repeatedly avowed to kill every Jew on the planet.

Israel blocking ships which may or may not be delivering arms to Hamas terrorists is a different scenario from Houthi pirates boarding and firing missiles at commercial ships in the Red Sea.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Well Hamas are definitely terrorists as no one other than terrorists would have committed the atrocities they did on 7/10/23.

Houthi’s are definitely committing acts of piracy which are against maritime law.

No doubt you will post in their defence Glorianny

I asked that question about Israel blockading Gaza and boarding peaceful ships killing some of the people on board. Are all acts of piracy wrong or only some of them?

It was wrong, it was condemned and it was 14 years ago.

A UN report was commissioned. The Palmer report was published on 2 September 2011 after being delayed, reportedly to allow Israel and Turkey to continue reconciliation talks. The report found that the Israeli naval blockade of Gaza was legal, and that there were "serious questions about the conduct, true nature and objectives of the flotilla organizers, particularly IHH". The report also found that the degree of force used against the Mavi Marmara was "excessive and unreasonable", and that the way Israel treated detained crew members violated international human rights law.

Israel has offered Turkey $20 million in compensation for the raid. On 22 March 2013, in a half-hour telephone exchange between Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, the former apologized on behalf of his nation; Erdoğan accepted the apology and both agreed to enter into further discussions. On 29 June 2016, the agreement was finalized and approved by the Israeli government.

GrannyGravy13

Well Hamas are definitely terrorists as no one other than terrorists would have committed the atrocities they did on 7/10/23.

Houthi’s are definitely committing acts of piracy which are against maritime law.

No doubt you will post in their defence Glorianny

I asked that question about Israel blockading Gaza and boarding peaceful ships killing some of the people on board. Are all acts of piracy wrong or only some of them?

Unfortunately systematically abusing women, taking away their rights, beating them along with rape used as a weapon of war? seems to be a standard tactic used by most terrorist groups and some governments.

So why keep attacking posters, twisting what they say and making personal attacks on them? A case in point is your attack on merlotgran.

It's useless trying to explain any viewpoint to you, as has been found by many posters on many threads, because you deliberately misconstrue what others say for some reason of your own.

Goodbye.

Well Hamas are definitely terrorists as no one other than terrorists would have committed the atrocities they did on 7/10/23.

Houthi’s are definitely committing acts of piracy which are against maritime law.

No doubt you will post in their defence Glorianny

Callistemon21

merlotgran

But Palestine was occupied by force merlotgran if you approve of countries taking over other countries and occupying them then once Russia has overcome Ukraine any insurrection must become terrorism surely. Just as Hamas is terrorism in the territories Israel has occupied

Where have I even so much as hinted at approval?

It's a deliberate misinterpretation of what you said , merlotgran
It's a habit to make other posters look like warmongerers who do not wish for peace and have no sympathy with the innocents in this.

It's Gaslighting.

It's no such thing it's a logical interpretation of what has been posted many times on these threads, but when applied to a different country creates something of a dilemma
It goes like this.
If a country invades and occupies another country then are the people who resist that occupation terrorists or freedom fighters?
Can that definition depend on which two countries are involved or not?
You are quite entitled to make your own judgement. So how can it be gaslighting? It is ridiculous how when faced with difficult questions some posters resort to personal attacks.

Thanks Frenchgalinspain
I think there are about 20 countries altogether which signed up to this but some do not wish to be named.

This type of bombardment of neutral shipping passing through the Red Sea is tantamount to piracy. Should countries sit back and watch?

merlotgran

^But Palestine was occupied by force merlotgran if you approve of countries taking over other countries and occupying them then once Russia has overcome Ukraine any insurrection must become terrorism surely. Just as Hamas is terrorism in the territories Israel has occupied^

Where have I even so much as hinted at approval?

It's a deliberate misinterpretation of what you said , merlotgran
It's a habit to make other posters look like warmongerers who do not wish for peace and have no sympathy with the innocents in this.

It's Gaslighting.

merlotgran

^It's a theoretical concept merlogran but I appreciate answering it would be difficult for you since it opens a whole can of worms about territory acquired by force^

I haven’t the time or the inclination to seek out then posts links to various articles to back up any comments which is your usual practice, Gloryanny and discussing annexation would detract from the OP

Ironic, merlogran because Glorianny told me You apparently have no ideas of your own yet posts reams of copy and paste articles and links herself.
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The Guardian & The El Pais in English & Spanish had published an article today regarding the team work for logistics and security etcetra include:
Australia
Denmark - Merke Shipping
The Netherlands
Of course, The U.K. & The Usa
Spain
France
Bahrain

I believe there could be 1 or 2 more
as well, however, I had read it early this morning.

Saudi Arabia was fighting with the Houthis - Yemen for a very long time. They had been speaking of truce .. Perhaps this is why they have not joined with the above named countries.

But Palestine was occupied by force merlotgran if you approve of countries taking over other countries and occupying them then once Russia has overcome Ukraine any insurrection must become terrorism surely. Just as Hamas is terrorism in the territories Israel has occupied

Where have I even so much as hinted at approval?

GrannyGravy13

At the pro Palestine march in London today they were chanting

Yemen Yemen make us proud turn another ship around

Source Tom Tugendhat on X

I wonder if they are aware of the Houthis systematically abusing women, taking away their rights, beating them along with rape used as a weapon of war?

They surely are, and probably don't care. Same with the Palestine mob, don't care about the way hamas uses civilians as human shields, their own, to hide and secrete weapons.
I find it strange that these people run away from these countries, to come here, yet support the terrorist armies in said countries.

merlotgran

^It's a theoretical concept merlogran but I appreciate answering it would be difficult for you since it opens a whole can of worms about territory acquired by force^

I haven’t the time or the inclination to seek out then posts links to various articles to back up any comments which is your usual practice, Gloryanny and discussing annexation would detract from the OP

But Palestine was occupied by force merlotgran if you approve of countries taking over other countries and occupying them then once Russia has overcome Ukraine any insurrection must become terrorism surely. Just as Hamas is terrorism in the territories Israel has occupied.

It's a theoretical concept merlogran but I appreciate answering it would be difficult for you since it opens a whole can of worms about territory acquired by force

I haven’t the time or the inclination to seek out then posts links to various articles to back up any comments which is your usual practice, Gloryanny and discussing annexation would detract from the OP

Louella12

Not sure a comparison between Ireland and the Middle East is really valid, Maybee70

Apples and oranges.

So the IRA weren’t terrorists? Terrorism is usually the result of voices not being heard over a long period. There’s usually a historic political reason behind it. The west has messed about with the Middle East for a long long time. What if eg all the people that moved from Ireland and Scotland to America were suddenly treated very badly. So it was decided that they could all move to Scotland. But the people in Scotland were all told they would have to move to a designated area of England, only to find that they were then not treated as well as the new inhabitants of Scotland or the people in England either. But they had to stay in their designated area.There’s a very good Ken Burns documentary on BBC catchup explaining how America and the UK ignored the Jewish people in the run up to WWII; in Americas case it was because of the depression and they didn’t want any immigrants. Reminds me of what is happening in this country now. We never seem to learn from history.

At the pro Palestine march in London today they were chanting

Yemen Yemen make us proud turn another ship around

Source Tom Tugendhat on X

I wonder if they are aware of the Houthis systematically abusing women, taking away their rights, beating them along with rape used as a weapon of war?

We got peace in Ireland by pretending that terrorists were not terrorists and then implicitly choosing to ignore the terrorism that continues to this day.

This may work for a backwater country like Ireland, but it is unlikely to work in a tinderbox area like the middle east.

Anyway, the Houthis are merely an utlet for the Iran, that is supplying the weapons. To resolve tis problem negotiations need to to take place with Iran.

Not sure a comparison between Ireland and the Middle East is really valid, Maybee70

Apples and oranges.

Am sure Merlotgran can answer anything you choose to throw at her.

Glorianny

merlotgran

I wonder if Russia was to overrun and occupy Ukraine and there was a Ukraine resistance formed which kept attacking Russia would we regard those fighters as terrorists or freedom fighters, trying to regain control of their own country and evict the occupiers.

I had no idea Ukrainian terrorists/freedom fighters had spent decades harassing Russia, threatening to wipe them off the face of the earth, supported by other countries willing to fund them in their cause.

You learn something new every day.

It's a theoretical concept merlogran but I appreciate answering it would be difficult for you since it opens a whole can of worms about territory acquired by force.

What patronising guff.

There’s more humanity in my neighbour’s dog than in hamas or houthi members.

In any case the Spanish civil war was a wholly different thing.

Jonathan Glover, a leading moral philosopher has just released this very relevant book entitled Israelis and Palestinians in which he quotes Orwell on the Spanish Civil War Everybody believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those of his own side without ever examining the evidence.
It highlights our inclination to seek out facts that agree with our pre formed ideas, but the only way forward in negotiating peace is understanding the psychology of humans as well as geopolitics and recognising the others’ humanity.
There is a review in The Guardian by Gabrielle Rifkind, and it looks an interesting read.