Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

Katie59

Whitewavemark2

How about the USA and U.K. instead of using violence to stop the Houthis who are supporting the Palestinians, actually get Israel around the table and agree to a ceasefire.

Win- win

Thousands of lives will be saved. Children will no longer be traumatised. Children will no longer be starving or at severe risk of serious illness.

We will not be endangering the escalation of war in the Middle East

Israel isn’t interested in a ceasefire nor is Hamas, both are only interested in destroying the other. Israel will win it has far greater firepower, Hamas won’t accept this and are relying on humanitarian pressure to defeat Israel, Palestinian deaths is of no consequence to them.

The Houthi’s are the same 400,000 Yemini’s have died in their civil war

Ah I understand then. Hamas are killing thousands of Palestinians in Gaza. (I'm not quite sure how but I'm sure you will explain)
The Houthis have killed thousands of people in Yemen.

Neither of these slaughters is anything to do with the extensive bombing campaigns waged by Israel in Gaza and Saudi Arabia in Yemen. Both of which have been enabled by UK technology.

Callistemon21

This is another case of a rebel group, this time the Houthis, spending money which should be going on aid and food to help starving Yemeni people, on weapons.

Or a case of countries drastically cutting the aid they supply to Yemen.
reliefweb.int/report/yemen/humanitarian-aid-yemen-slashed-over-60-five-years

Aid is not usually supplied as money, but channelled through specific aid providers
UK aid to Yemen is channelled through multilateral institutions including the World Food Programme, the UN Children’s Fund and the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development. It is primarily humanitarian aid, focusing on the provision of basic services. An aid package to tackle the spread of the coronavirus in Yemen was announced in June 2020.

I have said it, Katie59 has said it, and others. I am not sure why you are unable to understand Whitewave that while a war can be instigated by one group, diplomacy requires both/all parties to agree to take part with an honest desire to find a solution.

When a war has started and no one, or one key group will not take part, what then?

It is like trying to make a cake with out the key ingredients and then complaining because you can't do it.

I repeat. If diplomacy fails, what then?

Whitewavemark2

How about the USA and U.K. instead of using violence to stop the Houthis who are supporting the Palestinians, actually get Israel around the table and agree to a ceasefire.

Win- win

Thousands of lives will be saved. Children will no longer be traumatised. Children will no longer be starving or at severe risk of serious illness.

We will not be endangering the escalation of war in the Middle East

And suddenly there will be no starving children in Yemen after 9 years!!
🤔
Idealism is a wonderful concept but the turmoils in the Middle East will not be solved by a nice chat between Israel and the US.

Where is the toothless, useless UN yet again?

This is another case of a rebel group, this time the Houthis, spending money which should be going on aid and food to help starving Yemeni people, on weapons.

Absolutely Katie well said .

Whitewavemark2

How about the USA and U.K. instead of using violence to stop the Houthis who are supporting the Palestinians, actually get Israel around the table and agree to a ceasefire.

Win- win

Thousands of lives will be saved. Children will no longer be traumatised. Children will no longer be starving or at severe risk of serious illness.

We will not be endangering the escalation of war in the Middle East

Israel isn’t interested in a ceasefire nor is Hamas, both are only interested in destroying the other. Israel will win it has far greater firepower, Hamas won’t accept this and are relying on humanitarian pressure to defeat Israel, Palestinian deaths is of no consequence to them.

The Houthi’s are the same 400,000 Yemini’s have died in their civil war

How about the USA and U.K. instead of using violence to stop the Houthis who are supporting the Palestinians, actually get Israel around the table and agree to a ceasefire.

Win- win

Thousands of lives will be saved. Children will no longer be traumatised. Children will no longer be starving or at severe risk of serious illness.

We will not be endangering the escalation of war in the Middle East

I caught the tail end of an interview with an admiral on the news the other day, he asserted that Iran, in spite of its proxy warmongering stance in this growing escalation, really don't want an out and out war, simply because that could result in their regime being swept away. Iran, unlike us here in the west have an overwhelming young population who just want to enjoy the freedoms of their western counterparts, and as such, I would imagine would love to sweep away this evil theocracy that thwart their liberty.

As others have already pointed out access to the Suez canal is vital for shipping goods, the route around Africa and the Cape would take ages and have far reaching consequences as far as shortages and prices. The recent container ship that somehow got stuck in the §uez canal certainly affected businesses and consumers in that respect.

Whilst I don't think the West can sit back and let this situation continue, I wish it wasn't always Britain who goes in with firepower as if we are some sort of super power equal, when clearly we aren't.

The UK will almost always support the USA. Many are related by their ancestry, the UK invaded and colonised the USA in the first place.

ronib

Even if we voted for a ceasefire in Gaza, we in the UK have no way of enforcing our vote.
I am struggling to understand why Saudi Arabia is not actively fighting the Houthis along with the USA and UK.

Saudi does want to be seen as supporting Israel and stiring up its own extremists. Houthis have been building up arms and acting the proxy of Iran and can do a lot of harm to oil infrastructure in the region
Jordan the same,

Farzanah

Failing to vote for ceasefire in Gaza has provoked this. Seems to me that goods are more valuable than lives. Why do we have to be US poodle?

I have certainly thought along these lines. America will always support Israel simply because of the related power that it has in America. We followAmerica so no cease fire vote. Meanwhile Israel has retaliated to the assault as it should but now that retaliation has gone beyond what humanity can accept.

It's a very strange day when I wake to find someone talking about Iran in a sentence with the word feminism.

It's just a pity that we couldn't send in commandos to destroy their base from inside. Israelis are good at that sort of thing.
The whole world is affected, not just the West. We were obliged to put a stop to the attacks.
I hope the MoD now realises that cutting back on defence was not a good idea. Too many idealists...not enough realists!

merlotgran
If there is one thing I wouldn't be waiting for from China it would be baked beans. 😊
As a nation we do need to reflect on our dependence on imports from the far east for the sake of the planet.

Human lives are certainly more important than goods, but there’ll be plenty of posters on here complaining when the price of everything goes up and poorer people in Britain suffer. You can’t have it both ways!

Maybe not baked beans but you get my drift!

Grammaretto

I think people's lives are more important than shipping to be honest.
If there's a delay in receiving goods from the far east for a while, is that so bad?
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You’re making it sound like you’ve popped down the shops for a tin of baked beans and they’re not in yet.

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I think people's lives are more important than shipping to be honest.
If there's a delay in receiving goods from the far east for a while, is that so bad?
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Glorianny

Callistemon21 if your only contribution to a discussion is simply to misinterpret what I say it really isn't worth debating with you.
You apparently have no ideas of your own.

You are deliberately accusing posters of approving of the bombing of Gaza, not for the first time.
Disgraceful.

I dont think it's a good idea for us to be friends with Saudi Arabia, I am ashamed of my local football team due to their association with them. Its almost as if people are capable of a range of views.

Callistemon21 if your only contribution to a discussion is simply to misinterpret what I say it really isn't worth debating with you.
You apparently have no ideas of your own.

Callistemon21

I think you make plain your approval of Iran, Glorianny.

I don't "approve" of them. I do however recognise that they are not the only bad guys, nor are they the absolute pariahs the US chooses to paint them as. The history of US intervention and meddling is one reason the country is in the state it is now. The hatred the Iranians display to the US is understandable.

Quite why anyone thinks it is fine for us to be best friends with Saudi Arabia which has not only funded terrorism but slaughtered thousands of Yemenis and is equally restrictive for women I don't understand.
I realise US and UK governments do so because of oil but people don't have to agree with it.

Who said it was acceptable to kill?

If you consider it is, then perhaps you need to reconsider.

Callistemon21

20% of the world's container shipping goes via the Red Sea and the Suez Canal.
Do you think attacking these merchant vessels is acceptable, Glorianny?

I don't think any aggressive military action is acceptable. But if that action save lives or stops other action which is killing large numbers of people I think it may be justifiable.

I wonder why is commercial shipping considered to be sacrosanct but the bombing and slaughter of innocent civilians is acceptable?