Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

They should be allowed GrannyGravy if it’s against Jews

Oreo totally agree no terrorist organisation *or so called *lone wolf should ever be allowed to get away with murder, hostage taking, property destruction and the appalling atrocities committed on 7/10 or any future date.

maddyone

Israel is not an apartheid state except in your own mind.
Your blatant antisemitism is clear.
I’m not engaging with you any further but you won’t chase me off the thread. I will contribute if I feel it’s appropriate.

Good for you😃
Nobody must allow bludgeoning by posts to chase them away.

GrannyGravy13

Getting back to the OP, if the Suez Canal were to close along with ships avoiding the Red Sea in order to reduce the number of marine targets for The Houthis and/or other terrorist organisations in the area, I think they will just find other targets.

If these targets are on land there will be far more human casualties and in all probability an escalation of hostilities.

Good point.In any case they can’t be allowed to get away with it.

Glorianny
That was dated Feb 2023 I wonder wht those same people are thinking now after the events of last October.
But even if they are thinking the same it proves nothing, you can find left wingers and pacifists in any country, I expect Jeremy Corbyn and his allies would think the same.
Israel is not an apartheid country and wishing it could be called that, doesn’t, as Anniebach points out, make it true.

Getting back to the OP, if the Suez Canal were to close along with ships avoiding the Red Sea in order to reduce the number of marine targets for The Houthis and/or other terrorist organisations in the area, I think they will just find other targets.

If these targets are on land there will be far more human casualties and in all probability an escalation of hostilities.

Thinking something is true doesn’t make it true

Anniebach

Israel is not an apartheid state

You may think that but Amnesty International and War on Want think it is.
As do many Israelis
Former Attorney General of Israel Michael Ben-Yair said, "It is with great sadness that I must also conclude that my country has sunk to such political and moral depths that it is now an apartheid regime. It is time for the international community to recognise this reality as well."

As of 12 February 2023, 12 Israeli human rights groups had voiced their support for the Amnesty report and condemned the European Commission's negative reaction to it. These groups were Adalah, B'Tselem, Breaking the Silence, Combatants for Peace, Gisha, HaMoked, Haqel: In Defense of Human Rights, Human Rights Defenders Fund, Ofek: The Israeli Center for Public Affairs, Physicians for Human Rights–Israel and Yesh Din

A March 2023 position paper by the Israeli Law Professors' Forum for Democracy, a group of 120 Israeli law professors, stated that recent changes introduced by the Netanyahu government "validate the claim that Israel practices apartheid". Specifically, the group criticized the 23 February power-sharing agreement signed between the Likud parliamentary faction and the Religious Zionism faction granting the far-right leader of Religious Zionism, Bezalel Smotrich, special authority over the occupied West Bank

Israel is not an apartheid state

maddyone

Israel is not an apartheid state except in your own mind.
Your blatant antisemitism is clear.
I’m not engaging with you any further but you won’t chase me off the thread. I will contribute if I feel it’s appropriate.

Israel was judged an apartheid state by Amnesty International, after extensive research it's nothing to do with my opinion
War on Want have said it is an Apartheid State
waronwant.org/news-analysis/israeli-apartheid-factsheet?gclid=CjwKCAiA_OetBhAtEiwAPTeQZ6SK7HW3d_zAHHjcRRf5Cx3eMXP114FDUoxINiQ0t74r-zRtU4eNlhoCFF0QAvD_BwE

The polarisation of beliefs and views is present the world over currently Gloryanny. the article you linked reflects that. Your original post suggested it had always been so. That’s untrue

Israel is not an apartheid state except in your own mind.
Your blatant antisemitism is clear.
I’m not engaging with you any further but you won’t chase me off the thread. I will contribute if I feel it’s appropriate.

To remind everyone of the horror that is still going on.

maddyone

Israel is the only democratic state in the Middle East. Many don’t like Netanyahu on here because he’s right wing. To be honest I don’t know much about him other than my Jewish friends don’t like him. He may well be ousted at the next election. Whatever, there are extremists in every country or society that is democratic. Only in dictatorships can extremism be squashed, but that in itself is extreme. Israel is at war, following one of the most vile and depraved attacks in recent history. Of course people are reacting. I’m saddened that a statue of Christ has been attacked but in the greater scheme of things happening in Israel now, it’s quite small. Sad, but small.

Israel is not a democratic state if you are Palestinian. It is an Apartheid State.

Israel is the only democratic state in the Middle East. Many don’t like Netanyahu on here because he’s right wing. To be honest I don’t know much about him other than my Jewish friends don’t like him. He may well be ousted at the next election. Whatever, there are extremists in every country or society that is democratic. Only in dictatorships can extremism be squashed, but that in itself is extreme. Israel is at war, following one of the most vile and depraved attacks in recent history. Of course people are reacting. I’m saddened that a statue of Christ has been attacked but in the greater scheme of things happening in Israel now, it’s quite small. Sad, but small.

I take it you won't argue with NBC www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-palestinians-christians-attacks-holy-land-jewish-extremists-rcna80441
Here's another
apnews.com/article/christians-easter-attacks-netanyahu-jerusalem-e287dd6bad32573d1656eaea07223782

tickingbird

Glorianny
In territory controlled by Israel, Christians and Muslims are treated badly.

It gets worse. It’s pointless trying to have any kind of balanced discussion with you.

How in earth do you think Christians and Jews get treated in Muslim countries? There wouldn’t be any Jews or Christian’s left in some of those places.

I’ve been to Israel. I’ve had conversations with Arabs and seen with my own eyes people of all persuasions living quite normal, peaceful lives. I have photographs - lots of them. I have photographs of my youngest son sat with a Greek Orthodox priest and another little boy under an olive tree.

I’m fed up of reading your biased and untrue posts.

Doubtless some Jewish crackpots do behave badly towards these people but they are a tiny minority. Israel is an open democracy.

I’ve caught up with this thread after a week away with rare WiFi
Thanks tickingbird for quoting Gloryanny’s nonsense post stating that in areas controlled by Israel, Christian’s and Muslims are treated badly. I’ve been to Israel and have friends with family there. Gloryanny’s post isn’t accurate. It’s another of those sailing close to anti semitism which she will deny of course but we see her,

Glorianny
In territory controlled by Israel, Christians and Muslims are treated badly.

It gets worse. It’s pointless trying to have any kind of balanced discussion with you.

How in earth do you think Christians and Jews get treated in Muslim countries? There wouldn’t be any Jews or Christian’s left in some of those places.

I’ve been to Israel. I’ve had conversations with Arabs and seen with my own eyes people of all persuasions living quite normal, peaceful lives. I have photographs - lots of them. I have photographs of my youngest son sat with a Greek Orthodox priest and another little boy under an olive tree.

I’m fed up of reading your biased and untrue posts.

Doubtless some Jewish crackpots do behave badly towards these people but they are a tiny minority. Israel is an open democracy.

GrannyGravy13

Al-Jezera, based in Doha, owned and founded by Qatari Royal family member Sheik Hamad ibn Khalifa Al Thani , that’s the same Qatar which Hamas head honchos are living in luxury…

Qatar is neutral and tries to remain friendly with many countries.

It is difficult to remain truly neutral.

GrannyGravy13

Al-Jezera, based in Doha, owned and founded by Qatari Royal family member Sheik Hamad ibn Khalifa Al Thani , that’s the same Qatar which Hamas head honchos are living in luxury…

I've got an open mind. The evidence is that Palestinians lived side by side with peoples of all religions and continue to do so. In territory controlled by Israel, Christians and Muslims are treated badly.

GG Qatar I think US also has a large US base in Qatar and I believe Qatar is named by US as a non NATO ally.
I watch Al Jazeera in addition to other news outlets, because I think it’s important to be aware of different viewpoints apart from our own media. All news outlets are biased to some extent, but believe its important to be informed, but to remain aware of bias.

Al-Jezera, based in Doha, owned and founded by Qatari Royal family member Sheik Hamad ibn Khalifa Al Thani , that’s the same Qatar which Hamas head honchos are living in luxury…

Glorianny

But the bombing and the attacks in the West Bank are killing Christians as well. So hardly just a few trouble makers.

Stop wriggling and twisting my posts. As I’ve said before, we see you.

My response was in relation to your post regarding Jewish activists attacking and spitting on Greek Orthodox and Christian clergy. You’ve now responded with a piece from Al Jazeera about bombings.

Whenever there’s a link from a Jewish source it’s dismissed but we’re supposed to take at face value anything you provide from Islamic outlets. I find it odd that you’ve always spent so much time reading Islamic literature and ‘news’. I’m Jewish but I don’t get my news from The Jewish Chronicle. It’s always best to be balanced and keep an open mind. You should try it.

maddyone

I’ve seen more American flags than I care to remember being burned in the streets in many countries, including Britain. I’ve also seen British flags being burned occasionally, again including in Britain, but more usually abroad. Certainly Britain’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, thank you Mr Blair, have caused an increase in flag burning and terrorism all over the world. However, how do you not respond to 9/11? There had to be a response to that atrocity.
However the PLO were committing terror attacks before any of that. It’s been going on since the 70s and before. Plane hijackings and even a cruise ship I think, where the Americans were singled out and some murdered. I remember the PLO murdering an American disabled man on a plane they hijacked and they threw his body and wheelchair if I remember rightly, certainly his body was thrown out of the plane on to the tarmac.

In Iran the hate for the US and their interference goes back to the Shah who was massively supported by them. It also worsened during the Iran/Iraq war when the US armed Sadam Hussein who used chemical weapons against Iran.
In Palestine their support is seen as largely the reason why Israel has never complied with UN resolutions, and of course they supply huge amounts of arms

I’ve seen more American flags than I care to remember being burned in the streets in many countries, including Britain. I’ve also seen British flags being burned occasionally, again including in Britain, but more usually abroad. Certainly Britain’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, thank you Mr Blair, have caused an increase in flag burning and terrorism all over the world. However, how do you not respond to 9/11? There had to be a response to that atrocity.
However the PLO were committing terror attacks before any of that. It’s been going on since the 70s and before. Plane hijackings and even a cruise ship I think, where the Americans were singled out and some murdered. I remember the PLO murdering an American disabled man on a plane they hijacked and they threw his body and wheelchair if I remember rightly, certainly his body was thrown out of the plane on to the tarmac.