Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

M0nica

^Some members of Hamas committed atrocities. They should be brought to justice. How am I endorsing them?^

If the above quote from one of Gloryanny's posts hadn't made me almost incontinent with bitter laughter, I would have wept and rent my clothes

What do you not understand Gloryanny*?

IT WAS OFFICIAL HAMAS POLICY, PART OF THEIR PLAN OF CAMPAIGN THAT THE STORM TROOPERS GOING INTO ISRAEL ON 7TH OCTOBER WERE TO ATTACK AND KILL AS NASTILY AS POSSIBLE CIVILIANS. RAPE WOMEN AND YOUNG GIRLS BEHEAD AND DISMEMEBER SMALL CHILDREN AND BABIES AND TAKE NON-COMBATANTS AND THE VULNERABLE AS HOSTAGES.

and you reduce it to ^Some members of Hamas committed atrocities^

Do you imagine shouting makes something true?
Did you look at the link I posted to the unocha. site? I imagine not. Try it. Then shout about that.

Some members of Hamas committed atrocities. They should be brought to justice. How am I endorsing them?

If the above quote from one of Gloryanny's posts hadn't made me almost incontinent with bitter laughter, I would have wept and rent my clothes

What do you not understand Gloryanny*?

IT WAS OFFICIAL HAMAS POLICY, PART OF THEIR PLAN OF CAMPAIGN THAT THE STORM TROOPERS GOING INTO ISRAEL ON 7TH OCTOBER WERE TO ATTACK AND KILL AS NASTILY AS POSSIBLE CIVILIANS. RAPE WOMEN AND YOUNG GIRLS BEHEAD AND DISMEMEBER SMALL CHILDREN AND BABIES AND TAKE NON-COMBATANTS AND THE VULNERABLE AS HOSTAGES.

and you reduce it to Some members of Hamas committed atrocities

The most recent The Rest is Politics podcasts have explained why there is so much discontent in those areas.

ronib

Well Mollygo and Glorianny you have just demonstrated how very difficult it must be for the actual people on the ground in Palestine and Israel to resolve this war.
Complete horns locked?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Well Mollygo and Glorianny you have just demonstrated how very difficult it must be for the actual people on the ground in Palestine and Israel to resolve this war.
Complete horns locked?

You lied!! Glorian y 😱😱
You wrote, at 12:14 today
* I won't reply to any more of your posts.*

Mollygo

Feel free to not, or be unable to reply to my questions Glorianny.
I will reply to any of your posts.
But your comment below, since it’s what you do, is yet another of your own goals and I’m equally appalled by your doing it.
*Your attempts to turn this horror into a game of one-up-manship appall me.*

The smiley face at the end of your post says it all for me.

Feel free to not, or be unable to reply to my questions Glorianny.
I will reply to any of your posts.
But your comment below, since it’s what you do, is yet another of your own goals and I’m equally appalled by your doing it.
Your attempts to turn this horror into a game of one-up-manship appall me.

petra

Why are ships changing their identity to Chinese.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/why-many-ships-are-displaying-all-chinese-identity-in-red-sea/articleshow/106865327.cms?from=mdr

🤔

There is far more going on than we know about - yet ☹

Mollygo

It’s fun (if the subject wasn’t so serious) to watch the wriggling. If you don’t condemn something then you endorse it.
Not condemning Hamas for their actions on October 7th means supporting them.

I don’t support the continuing killing by others in this conflict but I do condemn Hamas for their killing, torturing, raping and hostage taking on October 7th.

Do you condemn those carrying out the actions ?
By refusing to condemn them, you endorse them.
I don’t expect you will be able to answer Glorian y. 😁

Try to answer my question about if an occupied people are entitled to fight against the occupying forces Mollygo.

Some members of Hamas committed atrocities. They should be brought to justice.
How am I endorsing them?

Why this emphasis on 7/10? Does it make you feel better about the 350,000 Palestinians who need health care?

"The nightmare in Gaza is more than a humanitarian crisis, it is a crisis of humanity."
Since 7 October, nearly 1.9 million people – about 85 per cent of Gaza’s population – have been displaced across the Strip. The vast majority of the 24,000 killed and 59,000 injured* are women and children. Nowhere and no one in Gaza is safe
www.unocha.org/news/gaza-children-under-attack#:~:text=Since%207%20October%2C%20nearly%201.9,one%20in%20Gaza%20is%20safe.
I won't reply to any more of your posts. Your attempts to turn this horror into a game of one-up-manship appall me.

It’s fun (if the subject wasn’t so serious) to watch the wriggling. If you don’t condemn something then you endorse it.
Not condemning Hamas for their actions on October 7th means supporting them.

I don’t support the continuing killing by others in this conflict but I do condemn Hamas for their killing, torturing, raping and hostage taking on October 7th.

Do you condemn those carrying out the actions ?
By refusing to condemn them, you endorse them.
I don’t expect you will be able to answer Glorian y. 😁

Why are ships changing their identity to Chinese.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/why-many-ships-are-displaying-all-chinese-identity-in-red-sea/articleshow/106865327.cms?from=mdr

Of course Israeli troops are not in hospitals or schools in Gaza they have bombed them all. There were 36 hospitals in Gaza only 16 are still functioning and only 3 of those are undamaged
www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/19/gaza-war-indirect-casualties-mount-health-service-decimated#:~:text=Of%20the%2036%20hospitals%20in,and%20lack%20almost%20all%20medication.

This is the 4th bombardment of Gaza since 2005. The purpose remains as was said by Israel in 2014 to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages and to prevent the establishment of a viable and successful Palestinian state. Why? Because once a Palestinian state is accepted as a full member of the UN it can charge Israel with the crimes it has committed.

If you bomb one of the most densely populated areas in the world your victims will be civilians. If the population of that country is mostly very young the majority of the victims will be children.

I am not trying to "weasel word" my way out of anything.
I present facts. You may not like them. They may not fit your perception of Israel, but they are facts.

I do not support Hamas. I support the Palestinian people.

Gloryanny Where is the evidence that the Israelis order their troops quite specifically to go out and attack innocent civilians, and only civilians, raping women and female children beheading babies and small children and dismemebering them?

This is what Hamas did.

Do you realise that your support for Hamas on this thread, your refusal to acknowledge that they did any of the things they did and that what they did was outside any rule of war has done more for the Israeli cause than anything else I have read?

To watch you prevaricate, wriggle, disassemble and ignore all reasonable questions, does your cause more damage than an honest admission that you think that what Hamas has done is entirely reasonable.

If you blindly support a cause, right or wrong, and those supporting your cause do, you compare with the Israelis, where many people who support their cause also have the honesty to stand and say that they think that their side has gone too far in what they have done.

But on the other hand faced with an enemy thaat puts its command posts under hospitals, school, medical centres etc, do they have a choice.

Can you name any locations where Israeli forces have placed their military forces close to or in humanitarian and educational establishments as a matter of policy?

If you support your cause stand up and defend what it has done and stop trying to weasle word your way out of it.

tickingbird

Oh that’s fact then is it Glorianny? When the Israelis released some of the bodycam footage of the atrocities of 7/10 it was widely condemned as fake by Hamas apologists. This dr may well have a gun at his back for all we know. Hamas are known propagandists.

How dare you say such things about this brave man? (who was in anycase speaking in London on his return to the UK). He spent 40 days working in appalling conditions. Of the children he treated 120 had no living family and some of those children were too young to even say their names. His distress is evident when he tries to speak,

maddyone

I don’t know why Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem are still being called the Occupied Territories by some people. Gaza and the West Bank haven’t been occupied for years since the agreement for them to become autonomous regions. They’re not occupied territories, that is simply wrong, but it’s a political decision to call them occupied by some people. The east of Jerusalem is slightly different I think. Anyway, following the actions of Hamas, it wouldn’t surprise me if Gaza and even the West Bank were to remain occupied for some time now. But they were not occupied before!

The International Court of Justice (ICJ),[3] the UN General Assembly,[4] and the UN Security Council all regard Israel as the occupying power for the territories.[5] UN Special Rapporteur Richard Falk called Israel's occupation "an affront to international law".[6] The Supreme Court of Israel has ruled that Israel is holding the West Bank under "belligerent occupation".[7] According to the Sasson Report, the Supreme Court of Israel, with a variety of different justices sitting, has repeatedly stated for more than four decades that international law applies to Israel's presence in the West Bank.
Not just "some people" then.
Under International Law they are the Occupied Palestinian Territories

maddyone

Murder - Hamas are guilty
Torture - Hamas are guilty
Brutality - Hamas are guilty
Discrimination on basis of race - Hamas are guilty
Discrimination on basis of nationality - Hamas are guilty
Discrimination on basis of religion - Hamas are guilty
Discrimination on basis of political opinion - Hamas are guilty

So Hamas committed war crimes on seven counts on 7/10

All of those are crimes which Israel has been guilty of since it occupied Palestinian land.
It has had numerous UN resolutions passed against it all of which it has refused to comply with.
It was described by Amnesty International as an apartheid state.
How can you expect one organisation to comply with International law when its enemy obviously doesn't?
Hamas are probably guilty and the perpetrators if they can be found should be arrested and brought to trial.
But so should the government of Israel which can easily be identified and brought to justice.
I've asked this question many times and never get an answer. Should a people submit to occupation or do they have a right to resist the oppressor?

Murder - Hamas are guilty
Torture - Hamas are guilty
Brutality - Hamas are guilty
Discrimination on basis of race - Hamas are guilty
Discrimination on basis of nationality - Hamas are guilty
Discrimination on basis of religion - Hamas are guilty
Discrimination on basis of political opinion - Hamas are guilty

So Hamas committed war crimes on seven counts on 7/10

OK, this phase of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict started on 7th october when Hamas militia attcked civilian settlements with instructions nfrom their leaders to murder, rape, dismember and/or kidnap civilians living in border areas. This included a group of youngsters at a music festival.

The Geneva Conventions of War ratified by almost every country in 1949 state quite clearly
Civilians are to be protected from murder, torture or brutality, and from discrimination on the basis of race, nationality, religion or political opinion. The Hamas attack egregiously chose to ignore that rule. Hamas chose that group to attack.

I don’t know why Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem are still being called the Occupied Territories by some people. Gaza and the West Bank haven’t been occupied for years since the agreement for them to become autonomous regions. They’re not occupied territories, that is simply wrong, but it’s a political decision to call them occupied by some people. The east of Jerusalem is slightly different I think. Anyway, following the actions of Hamas, it wouldn’t surprise me if Gaza and even the West Bank were to remain occupied for some time now. But they were not occupied before!

Oh that’s fact then is it Glorianny? When the Israelis released some of the bodycam footage of the atrocities of 7/10 it was widely condemned as fake by Hamas apologists. This dr may well have a gun at his back for all we know. Hamas are known propagandists.

Katie59

Glorianny the Reuters article like many others is pure Hamas propaganda, the victims are always women and children a designed to increase the humanitarian pressure on Israel.

Hamas could stop fighting and leave Gaza today and the deaths will stop its Hamas that has invaded Israel and they dont care how many Palestinians die in their declared aim to destroy Israel.

OMG! The biggest most renowned news agency in the world is now accused of Hamas propaganda.
How desperate can you get.
But I suggest you watch this British-Palestinian surgeon who did over 700 amputations on children as he talks about the children he treated including some with 40% burns.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb_BbezheaU
His distress is apparent.

Nice wiggle Glorianny.😁

Glorianny the Reuters article like many others is pure Hamas propaganda, the victims are always women and children a designed to increase the humanitarian pressure on Israel.

Hamas could stop fighting and leave Gaza today and the deaths will stop its Hamas that has invaded Israel and they dont care how many Palestinians die in their declared aim to destroy Israel.

Mollygo

Great! Glorianny you don’t believe that the actions of Hamas on October 7th caused this particular series of events.
Glorianny what did you/they think would happen when they shot, raped, killed and took hostages?
I wonder

Of course the event of 7/10 caused this bombing.
That wasn't what you asked you said
Hamas are responsible for starting this particular conflict by killing and raping innocent people including children
The conflict has been going on for years it didn't start on 7/10.