Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

I’m sooooo sorry, Glorianny
blame my auto correct!
You aren’t important enough for me to have any problem with you, although you do seem to dislike me contributing to threads you are on or even passing an opinion on posts that you were aiming at someone else.
I recollect you saying you won’t answer my posts before. I just take it that you can’t answer.

Apologies, I meant Glorianny

Freudian slip.

Your posts comparing Hamas with the French Resistance are quite disgraceful trisher. 🤬

You really have gone too far this time.

It is you who must have been conditioned.

Mollygo

Well Gloriangry why don’t you give us all the answers you would give.

1. So if an armed man turned up on your doorstep and told you to take in someone and house them in your attic, whilst pointing a gun at your children you would refuse would you?

Your answer and your reasoning?
What outcome would you expect whichever action you took?

2. You said I have asked before (and no one ever answers) if Russia occupied Ukraine would you expect the Ukrainians to give up fighting or to resist?

So what would be your answer, and your reasoning?

Hamas are responsible for starting this particular conflict by killing and raping innocent people including children.

Do you agree?
If not, why not?

Hamas are responsible for taking innocent civilians including children as hostages.
Do you agree?
If not, why not?

Hamas are responsible for building tunnels underneath homes and hospitals to enable them to continue the activities they started on October 7th.
Do you agree?
If not, what do you believe is the purpose of those tunnels

What do you think the Hamas contribution to stopping this war should be?

Incidentally, I don’t excuse the continued killing that is going on by others in this conflict.

What do you think should happen to stop this conflict.

Mollygoyour insistence on misspelling my name is unacceptable. I have ignored it up till now, but if you wish to engage in discussion I suggest you stop doing it.
I will simply ignore your posts and because it is actually a personal attack which is against GN rules report your posts if you continue.
I realise you have a real personal problem with me. But you need to get over it. It can't be doing you any good. I do hope you don't have high blood pressure.

maddyone

^Hamas are not dropping the bombs^

Hamas fire rockets into Israel every day.
How blinkered you are.

So they do but they do not kill thousands of people.

Well Gloriangry why don’t you give us all the answers you would give.

1. So if an armed man turned up on your doorstep and told you to take in someone and house them in your attic, whilst pointing a gun at your children you would refuse would you?

Your answer and your reasoning?
What outcome would you expect whichever action you took?

2. You said I have asked before (and no one ever answers) if Russia occupied Ukraine would you expect the Ukrainians to give up fighting or to resist?

So what would be your answer, and your reasoning?

Hamas are responsible for starting this particular conflict by killing and raping innocent people including children.

Do you agree?
If not, why not?

Hamas are responsible for taking innocent civilians including children as hostages.
Do you agree?
If not, why not?

Hamas are responsible for building tunnels underneath homes and hospitals to enable them to continue the activities they started on October 7th.
Do you agree?
If not, what do you believe is the purpose of those tunnels

What do you think the Hamas contribution to stopping this war should be?

Incidentally, I don’t excuse the continued killing that is going on by others in this conflict.

What do you think should happen to stop this conflict.

maddyone

To compare the French Resistance with Hamas is actually beyond the pale.
I have no words.

That's the real problem, some people are unable to look at anything with any other concept but the one they have been conditioned to view things through. Hamas to the Palestinian people may well resemble the French Resistance, being the body fighting to free them from Israeli occupation.
Are the actions of Hamas far more extreme, well yes, but the occupation has gone on for far longer.
It's quite a simple concept, do an occupied people have the right to continue to fight their oppressor? Or must they just submit?

To compare the French Resistance with Hamas is actually beyond the pale.
I have no words.

Hamas are not dropping the bombs

Hamas fire rockets into Israel every day.
How blinkered you are.

maddyone

^many were held in private homes^

And this is precisely why I think Hamas is supported by many or even most adult Palestinians.
However children cannot support any political or military group (I know that in some countries older children have been brainwashed and forced to fight) and it is the youngest who are suffering from all the horrible effects of the war. Hamas have brought this situation on to their children and therefore I have to conclude that Hamas care not a jot about their youngest members of society. We in the west care a lot, but the people who could stop all this tomorrow do not care at all.

So if an armed man turned up on your doorstep and told you to take in someone and house them in your attic, whilst pointing a gun at your children you would refuse would you?
You do not know why people took them in or what they were threatened with.
Blaming Hamas for the Israeli bombs and the starvation they have inflicted on Palestinian people is just ridiculous. Hamas are not dropping the bombs, Hamas have not prevented food and water reaching the refugees. It was not Hamas who drove Palestinians from their homes. Not just in this war but at every instance since 1948. Some of these children are third and fourth generation refugees. Driven from their homes by Israel. Gaza isn't their land. The Occupied Territories are theirs.
I have asked before (and no one ever answers) if Russia occupied Ukraine would you expect the Ukrainians to give up fighting or to resist?
When Germany occupied France in WW2 who were the heroes? TheFrench resistance or the Vichy government?

many were held in private homes

And this is precisely why I think Hamas is supported by many or even most adult Palestinians.
However children cannot support any political or military group (I know that in some countries older children have been brainwashed and forced to fight) and it is the youngest who are suffering from all the horrible effects of the war. Hamas have brought this situation on to their children and therefore I have to conclude that Hamas care not a jot about their youngest members of society. We in the west care a lot, but the people who could stop all this tomorrow do not care at all.

They could also have just made a straightforward military attack on Israel with out officially adopting the despicable practices they used on 7th October.

That is something they have done and do continually, fring rockets into Israel.

I have never said the events of 7/10 were acceptable I do not find sugar in tea acceptable

What do you think of a terrorist group that officially endorses rape and the killing and dismemberment of children and takeing vulnerable hostages as legitimate ways of conducting a war. Hamas could have gone to international bodies first to seek to negotiate before undertaking these actions.

They could also have just made a straightforward military attack on Israel with out officially adopting the despicable practices they used on 7th October.

I have never said the events of 7/10 were acceptable.
But I wonder what has Israel done to help release the hostages or to protect them?
It was obvious after the first ones were released that Israel had made a severe miscalculation about where they were being held, and many were held in private homes. What might have happened to them during the bombardment no one knows. I do hope they were got out and are held safely somewhere, but I very much fear they are lying with dead Palestinians under the rubble. I wonder what do you think about a government that prefers to bomb rather than negotiate.

Callistemon21

X post, maddyone

Most people find the whole situation abhorrent and, in fact, frightening.
They feel great sympathy for all innocents caught up in this and for any people who feel threatened around the world as a consequence of this war.

But Gloryanny you seem to see no wrong in the actions of Hamas, the Houthis and also think Iran is a liberal country.
🤔

I don't think Iran is a liberal country and that is in fact a different discussion I will start a thread on it, because I think the situation with women particularly as regards education is very interesting.

After reading the last sentence of your last post Callistemon I am left wondering what are Gloryanny's views on the way Iran treats women who do not wear the hijab, or do not wear it in the way the religious police deem correct?

X post, maddyone

Most people find the whole situation abhorrent and, in fact, frightening.
They feel great sympathy for all innocents caught up in this and for any people who feel threatened around the world as a consequence of this war.

But Gloryanny you seem to see no wrong in the actions of Hamas, the Houthis and also think Iran is a liberal country.
🤔

Glorianny

Apologies to both * Mollygo* and Monica . I address those remarks solely to Monica.
Of course I'm biased Callistemon21 I opposed Russia when they invaded Ukraine.
I oppose any attacks on civilians by any power whatsoever.

But I especially oppose those attacks when they are part of a continuing pattern driving a people from one part of a country to another, slaughtering them in the process and all the time denying them access to food and water and denying them their human rights.

Of course I'm biased Callistemon21 I opposed Russia when they invaded Ukraine.
I oppose any attacks on civilians by any power whatsoever.

But casually dismissed and subsequently ignored attacks, murders and continued imprisonment of Israeli people by Hamas terrorists.

Yes Monica, you are absolutely right.
What I find unbelievable is that many people choose to ignore what happened on 7/10 which tends to suggest that they think it acceptable. Q

Glorianny I hold in abhorrence any group that sees rape and the murder of children and taking vulnerabke people as hostages as an acceptable military tactic.

These things do happen in all wars when control breaks down, but Hamas are the only group who have officially made it and used it as deliberate military tactic.

You may be flexible enough to condone such tactics when the cause is one you support, but my standards on this are absolute, the deliberate targetting of women, children and vulnerable people as the opening strike of a military campaign puts any group that uses it beyond the pale.

I hold no remit for the Israeli's whose responses are also way beyond acceptable, but Hamas..... after what they did on October 7th, are beyonnd any possible justification.

I don’t understand Glorianny. It’s not that I’m calling it a Jewish state, Israel is a Jewish state, although some Palestinians, Arabs, and Christians live there too. Israel has been recognised as a legitimate state by 163 UN member states since November 2023, but international recognition of Israel was granted by many countries in the late 1940s. Of course calling it a legitimate state does not undermine the position of the Palestinians because Israel has been a Jewish state since 1947. Whether you like it or lump it that is the truth. However it’s perfectly clear from your posts that you think Israel shouldn’t exist.

maddyone

There are plenty of Jews who do support a Jewish state in Israel. There are a little over fifteen million Jews in the world, and over seven million of them live in Israel. One rabbi who doesn’t support the Jewish state is just one person. Jews marching in support of Israel doesn’t mean that they don’t support the Jewish state, it means they support the end of the war!

But the Israeli state is raging the war! Calling it a Jewish state further denys the rights of the Palestinians who live under its rule.
There is no anti-semitism in opposing the actions of Israel.

tickingbird

Glorianny

Ultra Orthodox Jews don’t oppose a Jewish state per se. They believe the return to their homeland will be by divine intervention. Not quite the same.

I think they believe that Zion is not a physical entity but a spiritual one. but I may be wrong

There are plenty of Jews who do support a Jewish state in Israel. There are a little over fifteen million Jews in the world, and over seven million of them live in Israel. One rabbi who doesn’t support the Jewish state is just one person. Jews marching in support of Israel doesn’t mean that they don’t support the Jewish state, it means they support the end of the war!

Apologies to both * Mollygo* and Monica . I address those remarks solely to Monica.
Of course I'm biased Callistemon21 I opposed Russia when they invaded Ukraine.
I oppose any attacks on civilians by any power whatsoever.

But I especially oppose those attacks when they are part of a continuing pattern driving a people from one part of a country to another, slaughtering them in the process and all the time denying them access to food and water and denying them their human rights.