Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

Glorianny

Ultra Orthodox Jews don’t oppose a Jewish state per se. They believe the return to their homeland will be by divine intervention. Not quite the same.

M0nica and Mollygo are two different posters, Glorianny.

However, M0nica makes valid points.

Most posters do not take sides in this dreadful conflict , and posters are fully aware that Hamas does not equate to all Palestinian people.

However, your bias is obvious and comes through in every post.

Mollygo you might like to read the Jewish Voice for Peace and their views about genocide and a cease fire. www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

M0nica

^This concept that Israel acts in the name of all Jews has to stop. ^

This is rich from Gloryanny who whole heartedly supports the side in this war that have been so grossly anti-semitic and encouraged others to be so. Equating being Jewish with being Israeli and s upporter for everything that country does.

If you can post one of mt comments that is anti-semitic then do so Mollygo I have never equated being Jewish with being Israeli.
I have posted links to a Jewish rabbi who opposes Israel. I recognise that there is a substantial body of Orthodox Jews who totally reject the idea of a Jewish state and I know that there were a huge number of Jews marching last Saturday in support of Gaza..
All your attempts to weaponise antisemitism do, is show how desperate you are to justify the appalling slaughter of Palestinians. Many of us knew this was the Israeli objective and are devastated to see the deaths now from starvation and disease following the number killed in the bombing. But we have never blamed this on Jews, many of whom wanted a ceasefire just as we did.

This concept that Israel acts in the name of all Jews has to stop.

This is rich from Gloryanny who whole heartedly supports the side in this war that have been so grossly anti-semitic and encouraged others to be so. Equating being Jewish with being Israeli and s upporter for everything that country does.

No retort I notice to tickinbirds idea that I must speak Farsi to teach a Farsi speaking child. Why let that pass? It's a real insult to teachers in inner city schools who cope with children speaking many languages.

Oh pleaseeeee. Insult my elbow! Get over yourself Glorianny.

I was choked up this morning when BBC showed pictures of tiny Palestinian children holding up bowls as some food had arrived. It was the pleading look in their eyes that made me want to weep.
Israel and Hamas share the blame for what is happening to these children . There are no schools for them now as Israel have bombed them as well as many hospitals. Their childhoods have been taken away by continued acts of violence.

No rule but the common concept "If the cap fits wear it"
You seem to want to wear all the caps

Gloriangry-yet another home goal for you.
You want to invent the rules and wear all the caps. 🤣🤣🤣

Mollygo

Glorianny

Mollygo
Honestly some people have no idea about teaching in inner city schools the problems of coping with children who arrive with little or no English when ESL teaching has been totally destroyed.You cope. You have to.
And don’t I know it! But Glorianny, you talk as if you’re the only one who can do it!🤣🤣🤣
Don’t get much more inner city than inner city Liverpool, where even the English spoken is sometimes like a second language.
I didn't say that and my remark was addressed to tickingbird. Why would you assume it was directed at you?

Soooooo not sorry Glorianny. I didn’t know you’d invented a new GN rule that meant you are in charge of who can say anything in response to anyone’s posts. 😱

No rule but the common concept "If the cap fits wear it"
You seem to want to wear all the caps
.
No retort I notice to tickinbirds idea that I must speak Farsi to teach a Farsi speaking child. Why let that pass? It's a real insult to teachers in inner city schools who cope with children speaking many languages.

Glorianny

Mollygo
Honestly some people have no idea about teaching in inner city schools the problems of coping with children who arrive with little or no English when ESL teaching has been totally destroyed.You cope. You have to.
And don’t I know it! But Glorianny, you talk as if you’re the only one who can do it!🤣🤣🤣
Don’t get much more inner city than inner city Liverpool, where even the English spoken is sometimes like a second language.
I didn't say that and my remark was addressed to tickingbird. Why would you assume it was directed at you?

Soooooo not sorry Glorianny. I didn’t know you’d invented a new GN rule that meant you are in charge of who can say anything in response to anyone’s posts. 😱

Molly
I also taught in an inner city school (in Portsmouth, the poorest area on the south coast along with Southampton) and we had children from many countries, including one who spoke Farsi. At that time we had one half day per week of help from a bilingual assistant for each language. There were several languages spoken in each class.
I understand and agree with what you’re saying.

Israel refused to negotiate with terrorists!
Well there’s a surprise!

maddyone

And yes the surrounding countries would very much like the whole of Israel Jew free, as indeed would many people in England, otherwise they wouldn’t be singing the song From the river to the sea. Israel has fought many wars since 1948 just to exist. However Israel has been recognised as a legitimate country since the late 1940s and so I don’t think it’s going anywhere.
The solution is a two state solution but the Palestinians didn’t want that. Hopefully they will agree soon and there will be peace.
The people of Gaza, Israel, and the West Bank deserve peace.

Palestine has agreed to a two state solution many times.
The reasons talks fall apart are many, some are Israeli problems and some Palestinian. When Hamas became the government they wanted a two state solution but Israel refused to negotiate with them.

Mollygo

tickingbird

Oh and they speak Farsi. I've taught children who only spoke it.

Oh you speak fluent Farsi too? Amazing

Unlikely. Re Farsi, the I’ve taught children who only speak it sounds boastful if you don’t work in school. It might just be that, but . . .
We get children in school who don’t speak English, but only their mother-tongue. It used to be because their parents were at Uni here, or because they were immigrants, so we had Mandarin, Taiwanese, Russian, Urdu etc. Now it’s also refugees, e.g. from Ukraine or Iran.
We (and they) learn to cope, and they learn English far quicker than we learnt any of their languages. Though we all make an effort to say a few words, even if it’s only greetings.

Our friend taught a class of Y1 children whose English was very limited (or non-existent) from various countries. Not only did she have to teach them English but Welsh too. She is a native Welsh speaker, however, as a child English was her second language.

Mollygo

^Honestly some people have no idea about teaching in inner city schools the problems of coping with children who arrive with little or no English when ESL teaching has been totally destroyed.You cope. You have to.^
And don’t I know it! But Glorianny, you talk as if you’re the only one who can do it!🤣🤣🤣
Don’t get much more inner city than inner city Liverpool, where even the English spoken is sometimes like a second language.

I didn't say that and my remark was addressed to tickingbird. Why would you assume it was directed at you?

Get on with yourself Molly, there’s only one expert on everything posting here

Honestly some people have no idea about teaching in inner city schools the problems of coping with children who arrive with little or no English when ESL teaching has been totally destroyed.You cope. You have to.
And don’t I know it! But Glorianny, you talk as if you’re the only one who can do it!🤣🤣🤣
Don’t get much more inner city than inner city Liverpool, where even the English spoken is sometimes like a second language.

And yes the surrounding countries would very much like the whole of Israel Jew free, as indeed would many people in England, otherwise they wouldn’t be singing the song From the river to the sea. Israel has fought many wars since 1948 just to exist. However Israel has been recognised as a legitimate country since the late 1940s and so I don’t think it’s going anywhere.
The solution is a two state solution but the Palestinians didn’t want that. Hopefully they will agree soon and there will be peace.
The people of Gaza, Israel, and the West Bank deserve peace.

I know that Jews and Palestinians lived alongside one another for centuries, but there were scuffles along the way.
I realise you don’t have any empathy for the zionists who arrived after WW2 but many people do because they believe that the Holocaust made a homeland for the Jews a necessity, not a luxury!

maddyone

Not sure why posters keep saying that Israel ‘stole’ the land. The Jews lived there going back about four thousand years so how can it have been stolen? I believe the groups that eventually became known as the Palestinians (they are comprised of various tribes as I
understand it) also lived there for thousands of years. Neither side stole it, they were always there, it’s just that after the Holocaust many more Jewish people went to live there because they felt they needed a safe homeland, not that Israel is in fact, actually safe for them. There have been many wars with the surrounding countries since then because all of the surrounding countries want to clear the area of Jews. However they don’t want to offer the Palestinians a safe sanctuary either.

Sorry but "all the surrounding countries" do not want to clear the area of Jews. And Jews were living alongside Palestinians in peace and harmony until Zionist Israelis decided to evict them.
I'm posting again the link to the Rabbi, his parents were from Iraq, he lived in Palestine and was thrown out of Israel. He gives an interesting perspective on the relationship between Muslims and Jews and the protection Muslims have given Jews in many places.
www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-officials-should-be-judged-and-jailed-in-the-hague-for-gaza-crimes-jewish-rabbi/3104253

tickingbird

^Oh and they speak Farsi. I've taught children who only spoke it.^

Oh you speak fluent Farsi too? Amazing

No I didn't say that. I said the children only spoke it. The way I coped was by finding another child who spoke both Farsi and English and getting them to translate for me. The children though were amazingly passive and tended to just follow the others. I'm told education in Iran is very strict.
Honestly some people have no idea about teaching in inner city schools the problems of coping with children who arrive with little or no English when ESL teaching has been totally destroyed.You cope. You have to.

tickingbird

^Oh and they speak Farsi. I've taught children who only spoke it.^

Oh you speak fluent Farsi too? Amazing

Unlikely. Re Farsi, the I’ve taught children who only speak it sounds boastful if you don’t work in school. It might just be that, but . . .
We get children in school who don’t speak English, but only their mother-tongue. It used to be because their parents were at Uni here, or because they were immigrants, so we had Mandarin, Taiwanese, Russian, Urdu etc. Now it’s also refugees, e.g. from Ukraine or Iran.
We (and they) learn to cope, and they learn English far quicker than we learnt any of their languages. Though we all make an effort to say a few words, even if it’s only greetings.

Both sides in this conflict have faults - like most conflicts. Nothing we can do or say will make an iota of difference. It is something they have to sort out themselves and it will take a long time. Fighting around that area has continued on and off since biblical times. Unfortunately very powerful nations become involved and supply weapons to their favoured side which puts the whole lot of us in danger. The British are a belligerent nation and so are the Americans, they are always there somewhere behind the scenes. As with Ireland when the US was supplying weapons.

Steady on maddyone, don’t be posting calm comments about the history here ……

Not sure why posters keep saying that Israel ‘stole’ the land. The Jews lived there going back about four thousand years so how can it have been stolen? I believe the groups that eventually became known as the Palestinians (they are comprised of various tribes as I
understand it) also lived there for thousands of years. Neither side stole it, they were always there, it’s just that after the Holocaust many more Jewish people went to live there because they felt they needed a safe homeland, not that Israel is in fact, actually safe for them. There have been many wars with the surrounding countries since then because all of the surrounding countries want to clear the area of Jews. However they don’t want to offer the Palestinians a safe sanctuary either.