Sir Ed Davey

Given that one of the former wrongly accused postmistresses is planning to stand in the constituency he might as well resign.

Why?

Should Ed Davey resign?

Yes.

So, HFS, the law firm Davey worked for. A massive international law firm which had offices in UK and Australia. In 2017 it had 21,000 Lawyers and employed 4,700 people in total.

Davey's brother was a specialist in energy law. Davey was retained as a consultant on Energy, working 6 hours a month.
He was retained from 2017 (5 years after being PO minister and resigned in 2021 after the furore over MPs second jobs.

The PO retained HFS in 2019 when it was fighting the SPM's class action. This had nothing at all to do with HFS Energy division.

I think the likelihood of him being aware of a completely different section in a massive law practice being involved in the PO's case is small. Others may think differently...

I'm not posting links. The info is easy to find.

Ed Davey received a handsome payment from the solicitors ruthlessly prosecuting (and lying to) the sub postmasters. He was a consultant at that firm whilst also Minister for the Post Office.

Well, prove that he was up to his neck in working on the PO prosecutions while acting as consultant and I might take a different view.

I suspect that it was 'consultancy' in name only and entailed very little work... But I know as little as anyone else does.

Listening to the piece on Radio4 it appears Fujitsu were in serious financial trouble before their fairy god mother ( the post office) bailed them out.
Fujitsu were known as a joke in the tech world.
As much as what we have been told/ read it’s the tip of a corrupt iceberg.
Why did Gorden Brown want to pull the plug?

MaizieD

According to the 'reasoning' of some posters it seems to me that we should make a clean sweep of everyone who held a government office between 1996 and 2015. I'm not quite sure on what grounds they must be got rid of, but, hey, the were in government and the government owns the post office but none of them did anything to stop its outrageous behaviour, so off with all their heads....

I can see how bloody revolutions gather momentum....

Indeed, they didn't do anything because too many of them have their noses in the trough. Did you know that Rishi Sunak's wife has earned millions in dividend payments from Fujitsu? Her family own a part of the company.

Ed Davey received a handsome payment from the solicitors ruthlessly prosecuting (and lying to) the sub postmasters. He was a consultant at that firm whilst also Minister for the Post Office.

Paula Vennells was granted her CBE in 2019 when the full horrors of the PO scandal were know to the Government (that's if we are to believe they didn't know from the outset). She was also one of three candidates chosen to be Bishop of London.

I suspect this is just the tip of the iceberg and, if we knew the whole truth, it could actually blow the lid off the establishment including the church. It's pretty rotten at the top, not the bottom as they would have us all believe. So, up the revolution I say.

Grantanow

Saying 'Sorry' carries implications of culpability and in turn may have consequences...

Vince Cabel said sorry several times in an interview a few days ago.

Grantanow

Saying 'Sorry' carries implications of culpability and in turn may have consequences...

Well not saying sorry seems to have resulted in consequences!

Saying 'Sorry' carries implications of culpability and in turn may have consequences...

I'm just getting my knitting ready 🧶🥢
(They could be chopsticks 🤔)

Yes!! Haha, aside from James Aburthnot and Steve Jones who both supported Alan Bates.

Whatever he did or did not do surely Ed Davey IS sorry about all the unnecessary pain and torment, not to mention financial ruin, done to these poor sub postmasters. Why would he not express this?

According to the 'reasoning' of some posters it seems to me that we should make a clean sweep of everyone who held a government office between 1996 and 2015. I'm not quite sure on what grounds they must be got rid of, but, hey, the were in government and the government owns the post office but none of them did anything to stop its outrageous behaviour, so off with all their heads....

I can see how bloody revolutions gather momentum....

Yes he should resign and there are other people denying they knew anything about it which is odd as I remember at the time those poor people were being accused there were doubts about the computer system. So if I just a member of the public knew how could those supposedly in the know claim to not be aware?

I do wish the Post Mistress who is taking on Ed Davy in his constituency of Surbiton every success. As stated in an interview in yesterday's Sunday Times she is seeking to represent the "little people" she has already been involved as an independent councillor taking on the problem of a cycle lane imposed on the people of New Malden by the Lib Dem Council. In nearby Kingston, an area I lived adjacent to for over 35 years, a cycle lane there which takes up at least half of a major road, is often empty whilst the traffic is all stacked up and squeezed into an exceedingly narrowed main road sometimes gridlocked.

I wish we had more ordinary people go into politics who are on the ground, serving and understanding their local communities instead of who we have got. Far too many career politicians, who come from over privileged backgrounds in the first place, very little experience of life, on graduating and with handy connections to ease their way into the political arena via some sort of advisory job which often appears to be a pre requisite before the inevitability of becoming an MP.

I think what the recent programme highlighting the injustices of the Post Office debacle illustrated, is how sick the ordinary person is of the malaise that hangs around our so called elite in both business and politics. It's the lack of culpability and the conspiratorial way they appear to have each others backs rather than to investigate a miscarriage of justice until the lid has been blown thoroughly off it and they've finally sensed the public mood.

I hope Ed Davy loses his seat like his predecessors. Look where Nick Clegg is now and how easily he managed to shed his principles. I suppose it's a small mercy he's over there and not here in the House of Lords, what a travesty given the Greensill scandal that Cameron has been elevated to that status

MaizieD

Callistemon21

MaizieD

Callistemon21

I'm not a huge fan of guilt by association ...

I find it impossible to believe that he was totally unaware of what the firm was doing as he and his brother are reputedly very close.

All the same, Callistemon, I'd prefer more concrete evidence. Like a signature on something directly connected, perhaps?

Has Davey been known to be shady, 'entitled', arrogant, mendacious or untrustworthy in the past?

It's the refusal to apologise that is *really *puzzling me.

No, I liked him ☹ thought he had integrity.
Perhaps that's why I feel so let down.

If you thought he had integrity don't you find the refusal to apologise very puzzling?

Someone like Johnson would have done it like a shot, without meaning a word of it.

So why won't Davey?

Only he can answer that!

Johnson would have waffled on endlessly and never got to the point. Then smirked.

Davey will say anything but sorry.

I'm a Lib Dem supporter. I find that, of the main parties, its values of fairness for all are more appealing to me.
I do think that both the big parties, but the Conservatives in particular, scared of the forthcoming GE, are weaponising Ed Davey's former position as Post Office minister. Having said that, I would have liked him to apologise for not having dug deeper into the question at the time.
I'd like to see Daisy Cooper as leader, but no doubt the Tory press will find something to accuse her of too.

Callistemon21

MaizieD

Callistemon21

I'm not a huge fan of guilt by association ...

I find it impossible to believe that he was totally unaware of what the firm was doing as he and his brother are reputedly very close.

All the same, Callistemon, I'd prefer more concrete evidence. Like a signature on something directly connected, perhaps?

Has Davey been known to be shady, 'entitled', arrogant, mendacious or untrustworthy in the past?

It's the refusal to apologise that is *really *puzzling me.

No, I liked him ☹ thought he had integrity.
Perhaps that's why I feel so let down.

If you thought he had integrity don't you find the refusal to apologise very puzzling?

Someone like Johnson would have done it like a shot, without meaning a word of it.

So why won't Davey?

MaizieD

Callistemon21

I'm not a huge fan of guilt by association ...

I find it impossible to believe that he was totally unaware of what the firm was doing as he and his brother are reputedly very close.

All the same, Callistemon, I'd prefer more concrete evidence. Like a signature on something directly connected, perhaps?

Has Davey been known to be shady, 'entitled', arrogant, mendacious or untrustworthy in the past?

It's the refusal to apologise that is *really *puzzling me.

No, I liked him ☹ thought he had integrity.
Perhaps that's why I feel so let down.

He is toast and not before time.

He should hand back his knighthood and extra lucrative payments he does not deserve at the very least!

Callistemon21

^I'm not a huge fan of guilt by association^ ...

I find it impossible to believe that he was totally unaware of what the firm was doing as he and his brother are reputedly very close.

All the same, Callistemon, I'd prefer more concrete evidence. Like a signature on something directly connected, perhaps?

Has Davey been known to be shady, 'entitled', arrogant, mendacious or untrustworthy in the past?

It's the refusal to apologise that is *really *puzzling me.

I'm not a huge fan of guilt by association ...

I find it impossible to believe that he was totally unaware of what the firm was doing as he and his brother are reputedly very close.

I hope she wins too. According to reports she has been getting abusive communications about standing. Disgraceful.