Trump crushes his Republican rivals in the Iowa caucus!

I seem to have a problem with the word for

Those who voted fo trump or fir Brexit, or whatever you dont approve of couldnt care less about your forgiveness.

Callistemon21

It's nanna8's turn in the barrel today!!
😂
I expect she's gone to sleep now 😴

Oh, the power of misinterpretation of people's words. Poor nanna8.

Still, at least she probably has sunshine, no biting cold wind and the threat of torrential rain..

It's nanna8's turn in the barrel today!!
😂
I expect she's gone to sleep now 😴

Dickens

MaizieD

There were burblings about 'witch-hunts', etc, but I don't believe Johnson would actually have encouraged physical violence... would he?

That's about the only difference between the two IMO...

Mind you, if he'd held onto his Svengali I wouldn't have put it past Cummings to have tried something along the lines of a coup..

Mind you, if he'd held onto his Svengali I wouldn't have put it past Cummings to have tried something along the lines of a coup..

I hadn't thought of that MaizieD!

giphy.com/gifs/brexit-cummings-dominic-UtERcCL6j5gaQBFFCP

Mind you, if he'd held onto his Svengali I wouldn't have put it past Cummings to have tried something along the lines of a coup ..

Oh yes, Rasputin Cummings looked as if he might have been up for that kind of action!

My evidence is in the words of those who have supported this government. It is evidenced by the way the government has used the tropes of the past to describe groups. It is evidenced by the despair shown by every one of my Conservative friends who can no longer vote for them.

It is evidenced in the way those who support this government are prepared to vote for the "enabling act" said to be about Rwanda that the Conservatives can then use as a Bill that leads to the loss of our Human Rights.

And it is evidenced by the posts here, designed to silence those who speak out. If I didn't have higher hopes for this country, I would be beginning to wonder if there was a resistance organisation I could join.

It is evidenced Germanshepherdsmum by the fact that you think I am saying these people are stupid. What I am saying is that some people could be forgiven if it was just stupidity; this is not.

Yes. The meaning is clear.

People just use a variety of innovative words to mean stupid, it's a really pointless strategy but on they go.

Who are you to say that a handful of Conservatives vote thoughtfully and the rest believe in the easy, cruel answer DAR? Where is your evidence for that? How do you distinguish the handful from the rest, and what do you know of the motivation of any of them?

MaizieD

^There were burblings about 'witch-hunts', etc, but I don't believe Johnson would actually have encouraged physical violence... would he?^

That's about the only difference between the two IMO...

Mind you, if he'd held onto his Svengali I wouldn't have put it past Cummings to have tried something along the lines of a coup..

Mind you, if he'd held onto his Svengali I wouldn't have put it past Cummings to have tried something along the lines of a coup..

I hadn't thought of that MaizieD!

giphy.com/gifs/brexit-cummings-dominic-UtERcCL6j5gaQBFFCP

Galaxy

You would think some people would use critical thinking to work out that the approach of calling people stupid is a completely counter productive strategy.

Only you have used the word "stupid", Galaxy.

A generalised arguement is always more powerful than an attack against one person nanna8.

How about explaining where the arguement is wrong and giving us that alternative.

You would think some people would use critical thinking to work out that the approach of calling people stupid is a completely counter productive strategy.

Ohh- words fail me. Easy cruel answers ? Judgemental or what ?

This year, we will see how many people can use critical thinking.

If you read the quote in my post above, those voting for extremes don't think critically. They are no different to those who once chose to kill a witch if their crop failed or their livestock died - the easy, simplistic answer.

Did the next crop prove fruitful? Did the next season's livestock live? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If it were "no", you ended up approving of a government that included the Witch Finder General or later "witch" changed to "Jew" or whichever group the state could turn you against. That gave us the SS, the Stazi or the Red Guards.

Those who backed these forces and believed these lies gave power to the leaders of these movements. Those who backed them thought in the same simplistic way as those who now vote for Trump or, to some extent, Conservative. There is just enough left of Conservative values to believe a handful vote thoughtfully. The rest believe in the easy, cruel answer, even when it does not improve their lives.

MaizieD

I think it's very odd to start a thread about a person who one must be aware that most people have a strong emotional distaste for. It's not as though Trump hasn't been extensively discussed in the past, the very recent past, indeed.

It feels like deliberate provocation.

Why not?

Should we only start threads on non-controversial politicians so as not to upset some posters?
Trump has been in the news so perhaps that's a reason to start a thread about his win in Iowa.

There's another thread some might wish to avoid - on Farage.

Dickens

MaizieD

I would disagree with nanna8's belief that Trump would have zero chance in the UK, though. Boris Johnson got elected, didn't he?

The difference between Johnson and Trump is that I think Johnson had the intelligence to recognise when the game was up, though he played it as long as he thought he could get away with it.

There were burblings about 'witch-hunts', etc, but I don't believe Johnson would actually have encouraged physical violence... would he?

No, I don't think Johnson would have advocated storming of the Houses of Parliament or Buckingham Palace (secret booze-ups in the back garden were more his style).

Johnson knew when it was time to give in although he resisted for too long.
Trump has an unswerving belief in himself although I'm not sure why.

nanna8

Thanks for your support Call. I am certainly not a Trump supporter. Come on, I have said that many times but I can’t be bothered arguing with people who are the type that make people want to actually support the Ginger One by their rude and ignorant comments. They are another reason he has so much support really. I do think he has a good chance though. I think he will win, given his opposition, unless they get another democratic leader. Please.
Just as an aside, there is a ginger Tom here who terrorises our little cats and we call him Donald. Strange for a Trump supporter.

Well, it seemed a rather nasty unwarranted attack on you by DrWatson.

Just because someone can look at a political race from afar, as we can in the UK or Australia and think that yes, the way things are going, Trump could win 😯 doesn't mean we support him!!

There were burblings about 'witch-hunts', etc, but I don't believe Johnson would actually have encouraged physical violence... would he?

That's about the only difference between the two IMO...

Mind you, if he'd held onto his Svengali I wouldn't have put it past Cummings to have tried something along the lines of a coup..

The ONLY reason Trump is running (and hoping for a win) is so he can pardon himself and avoid prison.

I'm glad you said that, Gundy. When I said it I was told it wasn't possible. Perhaps it needed an American to say it ...

I think this election will depend on women turning out to vote - Suburban Women specifically - to protect their constitutional rights.

We also have another factor that is dividing our country - the Supreme Court - currently laden with conservative judges who are coming under increased scrutiny. These are lifetime appointments. That Right There Is Wrong and needs to be reevaluated. The world is changing, no need to have archaic life-long appointments.

Nine months left till US election. A lot can still change with current candidates - both old buggers - who need to move aside. There is one particular 54 yr old Democrat from Minnesota who is emerging as an opponent to Biden. Keep your eye on Dean Phillips.

The ONLY reason Trump is running (and hoping for a win) is so he can pardon himself and avoid prison.

I am from Iowa but it’s not where I live.
USA Gundy

Reading that trump is not attracting the better educated or the middle class suburban American. I would also hazard a guess that he will have trouble with the women’s vote.

Thanks for your support Call. I am certainly not a Trump supporter. Come on, I have said that many times but I can’t be bothered arguing with people who are the type that make people want to actually support the Ginger One by their rude and ignorant comments. They are another reason he has so much support really. I do think he has a good chance though. I think he will win, given his opposition, unless they get another democratic leader. Please.
Just as an aside, there is a ginger Tom here who terrorises our little cats and we call him Donald. Strange for a Trump supporter.

Saggi

Please anyone explain why any person wound vote for that moronic idiot!

Today’s politics plays out against a backdrop of uncertainties that include wars in Ukraine and Gaza with little prospect of exit strategies in sight; the continued cost of living crisis; energy, food and water insecurity; migration; and so on. Above all, the impact of the climate crisis.

The answer to this uncertainty, according to rightwing populists, is to blame everything on outsiders. Remove migrants and all problems will be solved – and all uncertainties eradicated. True or false, the message is simple and clear.

In conveying this message, it is important to instil in the public an exaggerated fear of the impact of migration, so their message will give people a false sense of certainty. What if there are no outsiders? Then create one. Use the culture war to label the “experts” (judges, scholars, etc.) as the enemy of the people.

For populists to thrive, society needs to be divided so that people can feel certain about where they belong – and so that those on the opposing side of the argument can be ignored.

The problem, of course, is that there are rarely simple solutions to complex issues.

Full article here: theconversation.com/the-maths-of-rightwing-populism-easy-answers-confidence-reassuring-certainty-221355

Urmstongran

MaizieD

I think it's very odd to start a thread about a person who one must be aware that most people have a strong emotional distaste for. It's not as though Trump hasn't been extensively discussed in the past, the very recent past, indeed.

It feels like deliberate provocation.

Not at all. The Iowa result prompted my discussion is all. The exclamation mark was to show surprise - such a huge win was certainly not expected.

Why do you say that? It wasn’t as great a victory as it looks. Only 14% of registered Republican voters turned out to caucus, and slightly more than half of those voted for Trump, so that’s about 7% of actual Iowan Republicans. Iowa is a pretty rural state and ought to be fertile territory for Trump. It will be more interesting to see how he does in New Hampshire.