Trump crushes his Republican rivals in the Iowa caucus!

So, what do his fans on here think about the latest court ruling?

About time though Whitewave.

Although the the percentages seem good in the Primaries the actual numbers voting are right down. This may be reflected in the actual vote (hopefully) while those not wanting a new dictatorship will vote.

Trump in charge? It reminds me of that ( deeply un-PC!) phrase of my mother's about the inmate running the asylum.

I read with some pleasure, that his intended grandstand at his latest trial was totally scuppered by the judge.

He may well Galaxy. Are we now supposed believe he is immortal? It took a long time to break communism but many of us will remember the tears if joy we shed as the Berlin Wall came down.

The flack as you put it doesnt sink the view though does it. Trump will probably get another term.

MaizieD

Germanshepherdsmum

I disagree. Urms has said she supports Trump, therefore she is right to feel that she is one of the people caknib referred to in her very sweeping statement, though I would like to think the statement was intended to refer to those who vote for Trump. I think many who will vote for Trump do fit that description. I hasten to add that we know Urms does not.

I frequently come across assertions (often expressed with some hostility) that 'old people vote tory' and 'old people voted for Brexit'.

I am definitely 'old' but I have never voted tory and didn't vote to leave the EU. However,it's really not worth getting huffy about it and taking it as an insult. The truth is that more 'old people' vote tory than in other demographics, and that more 'old people' voted Leave than Remain. I just ignore it.

Playing the victim over a generalisation

However, I cannot bring myself to respect the judgement of a Trump Supporter...

Victim playing is a favourite on these boards.

Members have nailed their colours, loudly and aggressively, to a particular mast. They have attacked others. They have declared that any single vote favouring their point of view is, against democracy, unalterable. This has applied to Brexiters and Trump supporters and would apply to any other extreme trying to gain power.

Such members will have to accept that any flack aimed at those particular vessels may sink their view and their attempt to gain rights above others without a trace. All extreme views designed to gain unearned privilege are eventually attacked and sunk.

I think the thing that make Johnson and Farage different is that they are not openly misogynistic or unpleasant like Trump. Their politics along with the way they do them might not be up your street and you might dislike them intensely but I don't think they come anywhere as narcissistic as Trump.

Urmstongran

MaizieD

I think it's very odd to start a thread about a person who one must be aware that most people have a strong emotional distaste for. It's not as though Trump hasn't been extensively discussed in the past, the very recent past, indeed.

It feels like deliberate provocation.

Not at all. The Iowa result prompted my discussion is all. The exclamation mark was to show surprise - such a huge win was certainly not expected.

Urmstongran there have yet been a huge win not in Iowa nor in N.Hampshire. These are both small states with small numbers. Yes, there are more votes than I feel comfortable with but Niki Hayley did far better than expected. Creating a frothy, rabid Trump to go on one of his nonsensical rages where he found it important to criticize her dress sense !

caknib

My statement was sweeping and born of incredulity.

What is about these men Farage,Trump,Johnson that appeals?The idea that they connect with the voter,say it how it is,aren't afraid to ruffle a few feathers and so on? Its beyond me.

I can’t stand Farage and can’t watch him or listen to him but I would imagine that he’s like one of those evangelists that get people signing up to join them when they give speeches. That, when you listen to him he seems to be talking complete sense and it’s only when you go away and dissect what he’s just said that you realise you’ve been conned. Johnson is not eloquent but is funny. Trump is neither of those things and I can’t imagine him being popular in any other country.

Oh he was unsuited to the role of PM. He has that eccentric thing that appeals to some people. And I think he must be quite charming around women. Again not my cup of tea but I believe it's there.

I don’t agree with his politics either but nor did I ever see or understand Johnson’s appeal.
He seemed weak, inarticulate and particularly unsuited to the role of PM from the very start.

I will also say that the left has lost it's way in many ways so it may be that their failure is more important than the charisma of these men.

They have charisma, you dont have to like them to recognise that. I find it hard to include Trump in that bracket as I find him personally quite creepy but he must have some appeal. I dont agree with Johnsons politics but I can see he has charisma.

My statement was sweeping and born of incredulity.

What is about these men Farage,Trump,Johnson that appeals?The idea that they connect with the voter,say it how it is,aren't afraid to ruffle a few feathers and so on? Its beyond me.

What's happened to all the young and midde-aged people in America? Surely there must be somebody vigorous (maybe a woman) who does not carry a burden of previous mistakes, and has some inspiring new ideas, who wants to be President and could be given a chance! - rather than a choice between two old-stagers. Of course, it's probably partly about the money. I understand that it is hugely costly to run for President.

Germanshepherdsmum

I disagree. Urms has said she supports Trump, therefore she is right to feel that she is one of the people caknib referred to in her very sweeping statement, though I would like to think the statement was intended to refer to those who vote for Trump. I think many who will vote for Trump do fit that description. I hasten to add that we know Urms does not.

... I second your comment.

I think the vaccine mandates were to be honest not a wise move, I think some of the behaviours of say the Canadian government were worrying. If you normalise control even under the guise of an emergency, well who knows what controls will be put in place for the next 'emergency'. It tends to be the most vulnerable who suffer most from those type of controls. I fully supported lockdowns at the time, I have no idea what I feel about them now, but that's probably a different thread.

Even if I agreed with most of a politicians policies I still couldn't support them after actually hearing the way they speak about or to women in a misogynistic way eg the way he implied that a news reporter who asked him a question was on her period. That alone makes me loathe the man and that is just one incident out of many. It isn't as if it's fake news as it's on record. Can I just ask how you feel about that comment he made and why you're prepared to overlook it?

I liken it to a Venn diagram. One circle is racists. The other circle is Trump supporters. Overlaps are racists who support Trump. Which leaves part of one circle from the racist circle who support candidates other than Trump. And puts me in the part of the other circle who just support Trump.

In what respect, Galaxy?

Germanshepherdsmum

I disagree. Urms has said she supports Trump, therefore she is right to feel that she is one of the people caknib referred to in her very sweeping statement, though I would like to think the statement was intended to refer to those who vote for Trump. I think many who will vote for Trump do fit that description. I hasten to add that we know Urms does not.

I frequently come across assertions (often expressed with some hostility) that 'old people vote tory' and 'old people voted for Brexit'.

I am definitely 'old' but I have never voted tory and didn't vote to leave the EU. However,it's really not worth getting huffy about it and taking it as an insult. The truth is that more 'old people' vote tory than in other demographics, and that more 'old people' voted Leave than Remain. I just ignore it.

Playing the victim over a generalisation

However, I cannot bring myself to respect the judgement of a Trump Supporter...

I think it gave some governments some interesting ideas about individuals freedoms.

Galaxy

The second one is interesting. Most governments suppressed individual rights during covid.

I rather think that a fascist government wouldn't have bothered to restore them, though.

(I was going to say 'post covid', but covid isn't actually over)

Luckygirl3

If only there were a credible alternative to Biden. This is the reason Trump is gaining traction.

The concept of decent moral human beings running countries is rapidly vanishing. It is very worrying.

There is a worry about Trump's health too now though isn't there? I'm not sure it sounds like there is undisputable proof but the Trump voters don't seem to need actual facts. If they do find something that moves them away it could affect that part of his following quite quickly.