Could common sense be taking over from Personality Politics?

GrannyGravy13

I have voted in every GE, County Council & Local Council elections since I became 18.

At this point in time I have absolutely no idea where I shall put my X

GG13 -and that’s a big problem.

I have voted in every GE, County Council & Local Council elections since I became 18.

At this point in time I have absolutely no idea where I shall put my X

The straw that broke the camel’s back means different things to different people. E.g. for me the straw that broke/breaks the camel’s back was/is the number of people who sat/sit on their rear ends and didn’t/don’t vote, always compounded by their inevitable blaming of those who did bother to vote.
Baggs-common sense in politicians of any party? You’re right, that’s why there’s so much talk on GN about which party would be best for the country.
Followed by the inevitable talk about being an ardent voter, or being unable to vote, or not seeing any use in voting, or voter fraud, etc. etc.

No. She is attacking what you've written

No Oreo wasn't Baggs. OTT, if you check, refers to style. Anyone is welcome to argue the substance. Why else would we have Politics threads.

Re common sense in politicians, I think it'll be a while yet.
Sadly.

But you are attacking me Oreo, by attacking how I write.

No. She is attacking what you've written. This is different from attacking you as a person.

After all, it is within the bounds of possibility that you could change your mind when presented with good arguments from another viewpoint. Not saying that's likely, just that it's possible.

Attacking an argument or a style of argument is not a personal attack. Name-calling, slander and such like are personal.

I agree that there was always scepticism, healthy or otherwise Toscalily. I think what has been suggested is that this was the straw that broke the camels back.

I don't think that "we" trusted banks, governments, or other large organisations before the Monetary Crisis. There has always been a healthy amount of scepticism, which some would have described as being overcautious. You're alluding to a "sub-culture" who believe in "personalities seems unbelievably patronising to me when you appear to encourage that belief in "personalities" as has been seen in some of your previous posts.

But you are attacking me Oreo, by attacking how I write. My writing style is part of me.

I put up threads because I enjoy intelligent, knowledgeable discussions. This was about the comments I have seen about the beginnings of a change away from personality politics towards the politics of capability.

It was also about how all this started and what was the trigger.

There was a third strand that could have come up. How we run and oversee large organisations, how contracts get awarded and possibly how these contracts are monitored. It's really up to you.

What it didn't ask for was personal attacks on anyone else. There are threads already running for that.

I know, as you have repeated that elsewhere, and as another poster has just said if he took up a prestigious post in a firm it was up to him to him to find out all aspects of it.
Your continuous defence of Ed Davey, who was useless when he should have considered investigating properly is strange.
This has nothing to do with knitting needles, it’s a valid observation from many people.
He isn’t the only one under scrutiny and I hope the rest of them will be investigated and face the same worry as those poor people who were hounded, prosecuted, jailed and died did.
Over and out.

Oreo

Ed Davey needs to understand how wrong he was, not only doing nothing for the PO victims but his brother in a senior role at the firm going hard after them, then later taking a position on the same firm.
He isn’t the only one who needs investigating by a long chalk.

Davey's brother had nothing to do with the PO work. He is an energy specialist.

The firm in question is a huge international business, employing over 2,000 lawyers internationally and more than 4,000 people over all. I don't know how an operation as large as this functions, but I doubt if even a senior partner, working in a completely different sector, knows all about every single piece of business that the firm takes on. It's not like a converted old house in a small town with a few partners who can pop into each other's offices and get the lowdown on what business they are taking on.
Davey was a 'consultant' in the energy sector. Nothing at all to do with the PO work. Which wasn't taken on until 2019.

Still, just keep those knitting needles clacking...

It’s nothing personal at all, it’s just that your comments seem to me to be frequently OTT.
Having said all I need to, will leave you to it.

You don't need know anything about my core values Oreo. If we met say, an Inuit, I imagine we would anticipate and understand they have core cultural differences to us. Why is it so difficult to understand that this is true of everyone rather than attack me personally?

I don’t know anything about your core values and you know nothing about mine.
Saying OTT means over the top btw.Nothing more.

Jaxjacky

I don’t count myself as part of your all encompassing ‘we’.

Could you expand on what you don't agree with Jaxjacky? There's not much to go on in your post.

Oreo

OTT as per usual.

Your comment is shaped by your core cultural values, my comment is shaped by mine Oreo These values are neither positive nor negative - they're just differences.

One of those differences is, sadly, that you feel you can verbally attack me because of the views I hold.

I don’t count myself as part of your all encompassing ‘we’.

Ed Davey needs to understand how wrong he was, not only doing nothing for the PO victims but his brother in a senior role at the firm going hard after them, then later taking a position on the same firm.
He isn’t the only one who needs investigating by a long chalk.

OTT as per usual.