Clapham acid attacker - asylum seeker convicted of sex offence but still granted asylum?

Tonight thinking about this thread and the mess the country is in I suddenly thought of Chinua Achebe’s Novel Things Fall Apart.
WB Yeats wrote The Second Coming the poem that was the,inspiration for Achebe’s novel.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

The novel and then this poem I find very moving nut confess that I might be among the,worst in Yeats poem.

Do you remember the book and this poem?

Iam64

This man pleaded guilty to a sexual assault and indecent exposure in 2018. He was given a suspended sentence and his name included on the sex offenders register. This should have ruled out any attempt to get asylum status. It seems though that because he wasn’t sentenced to 2 years in prison, his asylum applications were allowed to continue.

We don’t yet know the detail of these sex offences, whether against women, men or children. One of my concerns is the way the system downplays or ignores the risk to women and girls from men with this kind of sex offences. Indecent exposure is usually part of an escalating pattern of behaviour. Sex offences often go with domestic abuse. A suspended sentence seems inappropriate on so many levels. Maybe a probation and treatment order would have been more appropriate

What kind of risk assessment allowed this man to be part of the lives of small children

I do so agree Iam.

Strange sense of justice…..

Grandma70
You probably need to take another look over the thread. Nobody has suggested violence against this vile criminal, they have merely suggested that he be removed to wherever he came from.
Posters are allowed to vent their unsurprising frustrations with the system that allows people to enter the country illegally and then claim asylum, take years for their claims to be heard, then refused asylum and in the meantime the person is free to commit sexual offences, then by using bent lawyers and a little short of stupid priest, manage to be granted asylum and then go on to commit one of the most horrendous crimes that can be committed against the person by throwing a corrosive substance over an innocent young woman and her children, who are little more than babies.

What a strange sense of ‘violence’ you have and seemingly an equally strange justice!

I cannot comprehend the level of hatred

Really?
You don’t understand how posters can feel hatred towards a lying, sexual offender who uses priests and lawyers to thwart the system, and then goes on to throw a corrosive substance over a mother and her two young children, one only three years old, and managing in the process to inflict injuries on several other people?

You don’t understand?
I’m amazed!

The lack of sympathy for the victims of his crimes is truly astounding.
This man deserves the sympathy of no one.
His victims deserve the sympathy of everyone.

If this man should be exported to Rwanda, what of the other refugees and inhabitants there? Why should they have to live with violent criminals any more than anyone else ? I think he should be repatriated to where he was born. Throwing corrosive substances at people suggests an element of planning - he must have prepared his weapon, it wasn’t just a mindless spontaneous act.

petra

A charity worker who claims to have offered him help claims he is Iranian. The 2 counties share the Dari language.
That’s handy 😉

This is the problem if people throw away their documents or don’t have any documentation. They could claim to come from any country in the world and no one would know any differently. He presumably said he was from Afghanistan because we no longer deport people back to Afghanistan.

None so blind as those who will not see…

Typical do gooders. Not a clue.

Germanshepherdsmum

In fact I just heard on Sky News that the vicar of Wethersfield, where an asylum centre is situated, baptised 20 men in the last week. It beggars belief.

Doesn’t surprise me. A woman who was Parish Clerk to several villages around here stole about £40,000 from the parishes and Royal British Legion, who as we all know does marvellous work for ex service people.

She was sent to prison for a couple of years and while she was away she “found God”. The do gooders at the Church were falling over themselves paying her rent while she was in clink, someone gave her a car, they bought her a brand new cooker and washing machine and even employed her at the Church on the Admin side.

I still wouldn’t trust her an inch nor would most local people. She is in charge of all donations, collections etc. they actually trust her to be in charge of a huge glass container which contains hundreds and hundreds of pounds mainly in bank notes.

When she stole, she did it in very devious ways and spent it on a world cruise and even on that she tried to do them for compensation claiming she had slipped. She also paid for very OTT weddings and honeymoons for her kids.

The Church are so gullible.

I can’t see Justin Welby doing anything to stop his clergy baptising these people. It makes a mockery of baptism.

I think the only light they’ve seen is that this means they can’t be returned. This has to be stopped. But how?

Germanshepherdsmum

In fact I just heard on Sky News that the vicar of Wethersfield, where an asylum centre is situated, baptised 20 men in the last week. It beggars belief.

Amazing!
Have they seen the light or is he a gullible fool?

In fact I just heard on Sky News that the vicar of Wethersfield, where an asylum centre is situated, baptised 20 men in the last week. It beggars belief.

I wouldn’t be in the least surprised. Can’t be sent back to their country of origin. Who tells them to say that I wonder.

It’s my understanding that many asylum seekers claim to be gay Christians

I sincerely hope answers will be forthcoming. If he is found alive and brought to trial we will know more, but most importantly questions need to be asked of the Home Office about why and how, on the third attempt, his application for asylum was granted despite his criminal record. Amongst those needing to be questioned are the lawyers, the priest and the decision maker. I trust we will not be fobbed off with excuses about privacy and data protection.

This man pleaded guilty to a sexual assault and indecent exposure in 2018. He was given a suspended sentence and his name included on the sex offenders register. This should have ruled out any attempt to get asylum status. It seems though that because he wasn’t sentenced to 2 years in prison, his asylum applications were allowed to continue.

We don’t yet know the detail of these sex offences, whether against women, men or children. One of my concerns is the way the system downplays or ignores the risk to women and girls from men with this kind of sex offences. Indecent exposure is usually part of an escalating pattern of behaviour. Sex offences often go with domestic abuse. A suspended sentence seems inappropriate on so many levels. Maybe a probation and treatment order would have been more appropriate

What kind of risk assessment allowed this man to be part of the lives of small children

tickingbird

Yes we do have plenty of homegrown criminals but that is absolutely no reason to import more.

It is difficult to identify the criminals before they commit any crimes here.

Elegran

A while ago, it seemed that every bar had an Aussie barman or bargirl dispensing the booze. Maybe we should all have been aiming joky insults at them to see how they reacted?
"All these bloody convictss serving our British warm beer! Shouldn't be allowed!"

Only problem - if they had convict ancestors they are proud of them so it would have the opposite effect . . .

My DD have their own response. It doesn't help to be a wimp in Australia. Of course, the majority of the population there is immigrant or descended from immigrants from around the world.

Cossy

Kandinsky

“What the hell is happening to this country?
Send these scum to Rwanda ASAP.

Totally sick of these violent criminals being allowed to stay here.”

I did wonder how long it would it be before people started to become angry about this incident because the perpetrator was an asylum seeker!

Be angry at him as a human being carrying out a horrific crime.

We have many many home grown violent criminals, there are good and bad people if ALL nationalities.

Focusing simply on his migration status and nationality doesn’t help his victims, doesn’t help his fellow Afghans and certainly doesn’t help the growing and open xenophobia and racism so rife in our country.

I wish a full and speedy recovery to the poor family attacked and that this awful criminal is arrested and tried in our court and then deported. Not because he is an asylum seeker, but because he’s an evil, violent criminal and he can take his chances back in his country of origin.

What an awful thought that we should ship known criminals off to Rwanda with other innocent asylum seekers!

You are deluded if you believe xenophobia and racism is so rife in this country.

Why do you think people from so many countries beg to come here? Precisely because most people here are neither of those things.

Listen to people like Sir Trevor Phillips who says we are one of the least racist countries in the world.

Yes we do have plenty of homegrown criminals but that is absolutely no reason to import more.

A while ago, it seemed that every bar had an Aussie barman or bargirl dispensing the booze. Maybe we should all have been aiming joky insults at them to see how they reacted?
"All these bloody convictss serving our British warm beer! Shouldn't be allowed!"

Only problem - if they had convict ancestors they are proud of them so it would have the opposite effect . . .

Grammaretto

I agree with you Elegran there's always been a suspicion of "incomers" until they get to know you.
In my small town in Scotland there was an influx of Irish labour to work in the coal mines in the early 20th century. An elderly neighbour told me how as children it was fascinating to watch their different practices such as holding their babies in shawls and not having prams.

I'm an incomer so even though I ve lived here 40+ years, I'll always be.

My DGS, born in NZ but speaks with a British accent like his parents and is rudely call a Colonist by the mean kids.

At least it's not "Bloody Pom" as my DD have been called.
It's how you react that matters.

Grammaretto I've been here for over 60 years but I am still regarded as "English" Someone even acused me of being posh because of my accent - little did they know!