Brianna Ghey

Annie they’re like the rest of us, some look healthy others don’t.

Thank you Iam , I didn’t see anything wrong with their photographs, mug shots taken by police no expressions allowed

Agree Annie, I also saw photographs of both before their descent into murder. They looked like well cared for youngsters. I feel desperately sad for their parents

If they looked like evil misfits I doubt that Brianna would have made friends with them.

Couldn't agree more, Iam
They did look like any other youngster.

This thread has illustrated just how easy it is for quite superficial impressions or gut feelings to affect our judgement. I think it’s important to be aware of innate prejudices which of course we all have, when considering difficult issues.
I became acutely aware of this when serving on a jury some years ago.

Scarlett Jenkinson was was investigated by police after being expelled from her previous school for attempting to poison a fellow pupil by giving them a cannabis edible.
The school she then attended would not able to release this information and I doubt if many of the staff knew; she later admitted attempting to poison Brianna with ibuprofen pills before murdering her, so attempts at giving her a fresh start had failed already, and Brianna Ghey paid for it with her life.

Would any child. or family, have allowed contact with her had they known these details? Is it right that this girl's crimes should be hidden at the expense of protection for fellow pupils?

It was reported that the new school was not given the information about the poisoning. It's hard to believe that no-one was informed.
Surely at least some the school staff should have been informed so they were aware, as they have a duty of care to all their pupils?

Yes I did take the opinion they looked like misfits and they did and I still say that. Also someone mentioned that some people come from a place with hate in their hearts. I certainly do not. I come from the opinion that beautiful Brianna was a target and the murder was also pre meditated, it was appalling they were fifteen and knew the difference between right and wrong. Brianna is now dead gone from this earth and nothing will bring her back to her grieving mother. I save my sympathies for that poor woman. The same as I always think of Deniece Bulger and the loss of her son. I agree James killers were younger and one of them responded to much specialist help and one did not. Murder is murder and it must have consequences for those who take a life. It is not for them to decide someone must die, they were evil and wicked.

My sympathies are not limited

Surely the police spoke to Scarlets parents ?

Would any child. or family, have allowed contact with her had they known these details? Is it right that this girl's crimes should be hidden at the expense of protection for fellow pupils?
Naming her at the age of 15 will not protect fellow pupils when she is 37, which is the earliest age at which she might be released.

3nanny6 the fact that Brianna was beautiful and the killers are not should have nothing to do with the consequences. Years ago women who looked like misfits were burned or hanged as witches.

My sympathies are with Brianna and her parents - of course they are - but that doesn't mean I can't question the reason for naming the killers, or have sympathy with their parents too.

Nobody expects someone, especially someone they know, to kill them and this was poor trusting Brianna’s ‘mistake’ if you can call it that. Scarlet had been on the Dark Web for two years which no doubt played a big part in her heinous actions. If we apportion blame then once again the internet must bear some responsibility. Something needs to be done.

Naming her at the age of 15 will not protect fellow pupils when she is 37, which is the earliest age at which she might be released.

No but it would offer protection for people of any age who might encounter her in the community if she is ever released.
This is a girl who has repeatedly expressed the desire to kill, even following her arrest, who has attempted it twice and succeeded the third time.

I would imagine she will be given a new identity when she has done her time.

eazybee

^Naming her at the age of 15 will not protect fellow pupils when she is 37, which is the earliest age at which she might be released.^

No but it would offer protection for people of any age who might encounter her in the community if she is ever released.
This is a girl who has repeatedly expressed the desire to kill, even following her arrest, who has attempted it twice and succeeded the third time.

It will if they remember the case, if she looks the same and if she hasn't changed her name, which she will almost certainly (and legally) do if she is released.

I know what she has done, and am not being supportive of her, so much as of her family, who have done nothing. I just don't know how naming her at 15 will make a difference to her when she's 37 and a different person. I looked very different at 37 from when I was 15. I even had a different name, as I took my husband's when I married, and I wasn't trying to make a fresh start. Unless the killers go back to their home town (and why would they?) it is most unlikely that anyone will know who they are. It is only the families who will suffer.

eazybee you do seem to be very keen to damn child killers forever and hold out no chnce of reform. The judge made it clear that 20 and 22 years were minimum sentences and these two will not be released if it is not considered safe to do so.

If the girl is still obsessed with death and killing she will not be released.

Do 13 year olds view life and death as adults do

Anniebach both of then were 15 going on 16.

MOnica there has been much said about Scarlet when she was 13, this seems to be when things started to happen

Anniebach

Do 13 year olds view life and death as adults do

Neuroscience shows that childrens brains although fully grown by early adolescence do not finish maturing until mid to late 20s. The pre frontal cortex, is one of the final parts to mature. This area is responsible for problem solving skills, impulse control and planning. As a result teens are far more likely to engage in more risky behaviour without thinking.about the consequence of their actions. The teenage brain uses the amygdala, the emotional part of the brain.

Taking the immature brain into consideration it’s hard to see how adolescents can view the world, even life and death, quite as adults do.

Thank you Farzanah much to think about

Thank you for your post, MOnica but I had already worked the facts out for myself and formed my own opinions.

Are people here seriously saying that the teenage brain cannot understand how stabbing a person with a knife multiple times is a different thing than an adult doing it? I think we’ve all been teenagers and not once did I ever consider murdering anyone.

That is not what I have posted Nanatoone, if that is what you are referring to. I have pointed out that the teenage brain is still developing, and their thought processes are not the same as adults.
It’s not my opinion, it is a scientific fact.

Thanks Farzanah. Being well informed helps us manage our feelings, something that’s needed here