Brianna Ghey

Everyone knows the names of the two killers now and I just hope people take their lead from Brianna's brave mother and show compassion to the families of these two young people who have a lifetime of sorrow before them.

I pray Scarlet’s mother doesn’t see the arrest video, she gave birth to her, how can anyone dismiss this

Anniebach

I pray Scarlet’s mother doesn’t see the arrest video, she gave birth to her, how can anyone dismiss this

Who is dismissing it? I'd think she's already seen it, to be honest. She seems to be handling the situation with incredible courage and dignity.

I read the news this morning that the parents of the two children that killed Brianna have stated how fantastic Brianna's parents have been, not holding any malice towards the two killer's parents at all.

When they are both 18 they will be remanded to a prison like Broadmoor and then that is when the real prison sentences start.

I wonder why the children who send horrible text messages to their peers who then kill themselves because they cannot take the abuse any more are not found guilty of manslaughter because they drove the person to it.

I do remember when our sons were being bullied 40 odd years ago by a lad a few years older than them. Our sons told me what was going on so I followed them to school one morning and saw the bullying for myself. I am not the calmest of person when something goes wrong so I grabbed him by his shirt collar and told him I would hurt him if he didn't stop and I then pushed him off the wall. If that had happened now I would be locked up.

MissInterpreted

Doodledog

In my career, I had people come up to me and beg for their cases not to be reported in the local paper - in fact, that only ensured that the case would indeed appear in that week's edition.
Wow! Do you mean out of spite? That comment (unless I've misinterpreted it) is swaying me towards thinking they should not have been named. It is for the judge to pass sentence, not for randoms to add to it by ensuring as much public shame as they can manage.

No, it was most certainly not done out of spite. It was policy to report on any court cases which were covered and the only reason reports would not appear in the paper would be through lack of space. My editor's view was that if one person's request to keep their name out was accepted, then everyone would do the same. He even insisted that his own drink driving case should be published. It was not for the paper to decide who should be named or not, he said.

That makes sense, but it's not what you said, which was that a request to keep it out of the paper would ensure that it would be printed. That does sound horribly vindictive, and a bit of a power trip.

I can see the need to have a policy that discourages pressure being brought to bear though.

Its absolutely heartbreaking for Brianna's family... i just can't comprehend it. I have to say that I feel for the killers families too, they also have a lifetime of hurt and pain that members of their family have done this HORRENDOUS crime, they are all suffering through the evil actions of these 2 killers.

The arrest videos are presently on the BBC news app so can be widely seen. The whole situation is tragic for all the families concerned. From what is reported, they all seem to be behaving with great dignity in facing up to what lies ahead for them by speaking publicly. The judge's decision to name the two who killed Brianna in such a brutal way simply prempted people who would post the information on social media anyway.

Maybe if society in general stopped the vilification of young trans people it would never have happened.I've seen awful posts on here about Trans issues,that clearly feeds down to some young people .Thankfully the young trans people I know have all had amazing support from schools and communities.Life is tough enough when they feel "different" without folk with big mouths stirring up hate .Surely how we live our lives is our business unless its harming others which someone transitioning isn't.

I agree paddyanne. There’s a lovely sweet trans girl who serves my coffee at the Christie. Such a kind PERSON. Surely that’s all that matter?

That said, I think there’s just become a vociferous group of trans activists. They do no one any favours. They irritate the hell out of me. Pushing their agenda too forcefully. Alienating people. And belligerently frightening some. I wish they shut up.

Urmstongran

I agree paddyanne. There’s a lovely sweet trans girl who serves my coffee at the Christie. Such a kind PERSON. Surely that’s all that matter?

That said, I think there’s just become a vociferous group of trans activists. They do no one any favours. They irritate the hell out of me. Pushing their agenda too forcefully. Alienating people. And belligerently frightening some. I wish they shut up.

Most posters think as you do, Urmstongran which is not what paddyann claims.

Posters are tolerant in general, except when someone tries to play the system.

It's the vociferous minority, those playing the system, rapists claiming to be women so they will be sent to a women's prison, failed male athletes claiming to be women so they can start winning, who are the ones criticised and upset everyone, ordinary transgender people included.

I agree Calli. Wholeheartedly.

I too agree

Exactly Urmstongran

Callistemon21
It's the vociferous minority, those playing the system, rapists claiming to be women so they will be sent to a women's prison, failed male athletes claiming to be women so they can start winning, who are the ones criticised and upset everyone, ordinary transgender people included.

Brianna was one on a list of potential victims.
The murdering teens could have started anywhere on that list. It wouldn’t have changed the outcome for their victims.

Posters are accepting and tolerant except when someone is clearly abusing the system - and transgender people too.

To try to claim posters on here are in any way at all to blame for such a despicable act by two wicked young people is both illogical and very wrong.

Me too.

This couple had a hit list of people they would like to kill.

There is nothing to say that it was a trans issue, more a case of that Brianna was quite a lonely person with no friends as such.

The judge said trans issues were involved even though they had a list of several people as they wanted to kill someone. Scarlet wanted to see if Brianna had a d***.

This is such a sad sad case and I thought it heartbreaking when I saw (Guardian today) that in a statement to the court Brianna’s mother said she was devastated that her “lonely” daughter was killed by “someone we believed to be her friend. Someone that we trusted. Someone that I was so happy that she had, fearing my child had been “lonely”.

I know from personal experience when you feel your child may be lonely or vulnerable, you are so happy if they pal up with someone.

What concerns me about the killers’ names being released is that they then become the primary focus of attention. I also feel for their parents and families. There but for the grace of god…………

The ultimate betrayal 😥

Poor Brianna.

Imagine having a list of people you'd like to kill 😥. And imagine knowing that your child was on a list like that. It's too horrible.

Poor Brianna. The thought of her going out thinking it was to meet friends and having them turn on her like that is heartbreaking.

It was a truly sadistic attack.
As for their names being released, I thought under 18s were protected from that.

I suppose the judge has their reasons.

They will be known locally and their names will be released eventually.

As a previous poster said, retaliation against the family of a killer is a highly likely whether they are 15 or 50. I don't see what difference the age makes.

Are we assuming that in the latter case they are less likely to have young relatives who may be beaten up at school or tormented on social media?

Horrible kids. Their names would pretty soon be out there anyway as it was with the kids who murdered James Bulger.. They were a lot older than those two boys and clearly knew exactly what they were doing. Hard but every family of a murderer cannot be ‘protected’ from nasty comments, just another piece of collateral damage because of what they did. I hope they don’t let them out too soon.

The police could not have released the video if the judge had not given her approval

being known locally say 100,000 people, is rather different to being made public when the whole population of a country and even in other countries, knows.

With just local publicity, the family can move from the area and start a new life with their own names. Neither of the offenders had a particularly uncommon family name. With national publicty, they will have to change their names as well, plus where they moved from, even disguise the school they previously went to.