Aid for Gaza

Whitewavemark2

When this ends - and it will - memories of this period will be of the thousands upon thousands of children, killed, maimed, kidnapped and starved.

This will be remembered as a war on children.

I do hope you are including all the babies and children murdered on purpose by hamas which sparked off this conflict?

Humanity has reached a new low

What is happening is terrible, but I’m afraid terrible as it is, worse has happened before. 1.5 million children were murdered during the holocaust. The world’s worst terrorist action murdered 3000 people in a couple of hours. Hundreds of thousands of children were murdered or killed during the Cambodian war by the Khmer Rouge and during the Vietnamese war, not to mention the millions of adults murdered and killed. Then we have the Bosnian war in the 90s, the Rwandan civil war, and the current war in Ukraine. And countless others.
The situation in Gaza is horrible and deplorable. However it is not plumbing new depths of depravity, it is sadly following a well worn horrible path of war.

Israeli government hasn’t complied with any of the ICJ rulings - so technically it is committing war crimes day after day.

The people of Israel deserve better.

The matter is once again before the UN court
www.theguardian.com/law/2024/feb/19/hearings-israel-occupation-palestine-international-court-of-justice#:~:text=In%20late%20January%20the%20ICJ.
They have ruled against Israel in the past. Ordering them to take down the West Bank wall in 2004. Israel never complies

Urmstongran

Israel did acknowledge the right of Gaza ‘to exist’ when they pulled out in 2005, including the forced eviction of every Jewish resident and the right of Palestinian Gazans to gainful employment in Israel.

Look how that turned out.

When you say “pulled out” they were still the occupying power, because Gaza had no control over it land, sea or airspace.

It was/is unable to control its utilities.

It can’t control its borders.

It had no final control over goods entering Gaza.

Israel did acknowledge the right of Gaza ‘to exist’ when they pulled out in 2005, including the forced eviction of every Jewish resident and the right of Palestinian Gazans to gainful employment in Israel.

Look how that turned out.

glorianny

Netanyahu did not say that “release all hostages *or we will continue to attack*”

He said that the attack will resume on the 10th March whether the hostages are released or not.

Netanyahu has no intention of ceasing the carnage.

Iam64

Who is blaming the people of Gaza? No one here so far as I’ve read. We need a political solution. That means change from both murderous extremes here

Did you read this?
GrannyGravy13

The Israeli war cabinet have given Hamas an ultimatum release the hostages immediately or we will continue to attack

Makes sense to me, Hamas have to release all remaining hostages, to do so condemns more citizens of Gaza to injury, homelessness and possibly an untimely death.

(Source BBC and ITV morning news reports)

That's blaming the people of Gaza, who do not control Hamas.
But are to suffer the consequences apparently.

There are also posts where it's pointed out that Hamas are the government of Gaza. Apparently that also justifies killing its citizens.

All in attempts to somehow legitimise the actions of Israel.

Who is blaming the people of Gaza? No one here so far as I’ve read. We need a political solution. That means change from both murderous extremes here

maddyone

Whitewavemark2

When this ends - and it will - memories of this period will be of the thousands upon thousands of children, killed, maimed, kidnapped and starved.

This will be remembered as a war on children.

Whitewave I’m surprised by your post. Of course this will be remembered as a war on children. Jewish children and Palestian children.
But it will also be remembered as an act of the worst terrorism in the world since 9/11.

When I say children, I assume that I don’t have to specify the religious faith which some of their parents follow.

I am talking about ALL children of all faiths and like myself - none. .

Yes it may be remembered for the outrage on Oct. 7th, but it that will simply be remembered as a continuum of the outrages that have gone before from the beginning of the last century, and millennium before.

What is different is the deliberate destruction of children. Humanity has reached a new low.

Iam64

Yet another post excusing Hamas by you Glorianny -

How am I "excusing Hamas"?
Did a terrorist organisation commit acts of atrocity on 7/10- Yes.
Are the citizens of Gaza responsible for those acts NO!
Even if you consider Hamas the government there has not been an election in Gaza since 2006. Which means anyone between the ages of 18 and 35 has never voted. Which means they have no responsibility for the government.
If you can't understand that any other way. Had the same situation happened in the UK Tony Blair (or his chosen successor ) would be in government. How many of you would like that?
This blaming of the people of Gaza is nothing less than trying to justify genocide. It is disgusting.

Yet another post excusing Hamas by you Glorianny -

Whitewavemark2

When this ends - and it will - memories of this period will be of the thousands upon thousands of children, killed, maimed, kidnapped and starved.

This will be remembered as a war on children.

Whitewave I’m surprised by your post. Of course this will be remembered as a war on children. Jewish children and Palestian children.
But it will also be remembered as an act of the worst terrorism in the world since 9/11.

Impossible to believe what is released from Gaza

Callistemon21

^It's also very strange to call Hamas a terrorist organisation then blame them for the way Gaza is governed^

Why strange?

Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.
Hamas has been designated a terrorist organisation by the UK, USA, EU and other countries.

Then there are two organisations.
The organisation responsible for the events of 7/10
And the government of Gaza/
One cannot be held responsible for the actions of the other.
Nor can the citizens of Gaza be held responsible for a terrorist action.
So the bombing of the citizens of Gaza is a war crime

It's also very strange to call Hamas a terrorist organisation then blame them for the way Gaza is governed

Why strange?

Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.
Hamas has been designated a terrorist organisation by the UK, USA, EU and other countries.

When this ends - and it will - memories of this period will be of the thousands upon thousands of children, killed, maimed, kidnapped and starved.

This will be remembered as a war on children.

As the crisis deepens and the suffering intensifies to even more intolerable levels in Gaza, I think it is worth hearing yesterday's call in London to the Churches by Munther Isaac, a Palestinian Christian leader from Bethlehem.

”Dear friends: Gaza is indeed today the moral compass of the world. This war, I truly believe, has clearly divided the world; and maybe this is good thing. Gaza is the moral compass of the world. We either side with the logic or power and ruthlessness, with the lords of war, and with those who justify and rationalize the killing of children. Or you side with the victims of oppression and injustice, and those who are besieged and dehumanized by the forces of Empire and colonization. It is really a simple choice: you either support a genocide, turn a blind eye or justify a genocide, or you cry out: No! Not in our name”

www.bloomsbury.org.uk/christ-under-the-rubble-a-vigil-for-gaza/

I am hoping that Starmer supports the SNP motion on Wednesday. He would be reflecting almost the entire British public.

Only 13% of people think that Israel’s continued violence is justified. (Yougov)

Anniebach

No rules of terrorism so rape and murder of children can be dismissed, by some

Who has dismissed rape and murder of children Anniebach? Let's put a name to this accusation.

No rules of terrorism so rape and murder of children can be dismissed, by some

From the rules of war
No one shall be held responsible for an act he or she has not committed.
Of the 28000 dead 10,000 are children
They did not do anything on October 7th.

Oreo

Do hamas, as the governing body in Gaza adhere to any rules of war? And when there is no war, do well over a thousand of them enter another country on a killing and torturing spree?
Get your head out of the sand Glorianny

It doesn't matter what Hamas do.
The civilians of Gaza are entitled to international protection. That's what International law is about.
In any case assuming that there is any sort of organised government in Gaza is a bit ridiculous. It's also very strange to call Hamas a terrorist organisation then blame them for the way Gaza is governed (not that it can be said to be governed in any way after the forced exodus of its people).
What do you suggest. they run an election in Rafah and see if Hamas win?

GrannyGravy13

The Israeli war cabinet have given Hamas an ultimatum release the hostages immediately or we will continue to attack

Makes sense to me, Hamas have to release all remaining hostages, to do so condemns more citizens of Gaza to injury, homelessness and possibly an untimely death.

(Source BBC and ITV morning news reports)

Unfortunately, Netanyahu did not say that.

He will continue to maim and kill whether or not the hostages are released.

That is what he actually said.

Do hamas, as the governing body in Gaza adhere to any rules of war? And when there is no war, do well over a thousand of them enter another country on a killing and torturing spree?
Get your head out of the sand Glorianny